Electric fuel pumps? (carb'd)

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I would just add that you do a little researching into how much fuel your engine needs, i.e. gallons per hour and pressure. I would lean towards the high side as you may want to upgrade. The pump for the 4.3 TBI tank may or may not be exactly what you need.
 
Buick Grand National / Ttype and 4.3 TBI Monte Carlo as far as I can tell are the same fuel tank and fuel pump hanger/sending unit. Here is an Ebay link. This is a brand new baffled tank (for an in-tank pump) listed as Grand National tank listed by seller radiatorclassic at a buy it now price of $86.99 with free shipping. Or bid on it and maybe get it for less. At any rate you can always look up the sellers ie company name & number usually listed and call them to buy one if you miss this one.

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw ... ke=Buick&_

EDIT! Well thats nice the I guess auction items change on the ebay links. Duh. 😳 Its ok on the top left of the ebay page is an open box search bar. Just put in; Grand National fuel tank and hit enter. It will find the current auction items that match your search.

Here is a brand new fuel pump hanger/sending unit for the in-tank pump listed by carpartsdiscount for $50.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/CPD-Fuel-Sendin ... 2806wt_952

Here is a quality walbro pump with optional plug n play wireing harness and "hot wire" for maximum voltage to assure maximum fuel from your pump. Pump is listed for $97.50 Just scroll down and click the Buick GN link under fuel pump systems. http://www.racetronix.com BTW this thing is good to 600HP.

Since you are useing it with a carberator you need a return style fuel pressure regulator. http://www.jegs.com/i/Mallory/650/4309/10002/-1 $97. BTW that Jegs ad for it sucks it does not mention that it is a RETURN style regulator and then links comparables that are not return style regulators and the "race" is just Jegs marketing. EDIT; Here is the Summit ad read the top & then click the part link for more details. http://www.summitracing.com/search/bran ... toview=SKU

You use three ports; One is the fuel line coming in from the tank. One is the fuel line returning to the tank. One goes to your carberator with a fuel pressure gauge between it and the carberator. A simple allen wrench turn fuel pressure up or down so that its whatever pressure you want which depends on the type carberator. Q-jets don't need as much fuel pressure as a Holleys etc because they have a small fuel bowl inside them. You mount the fuel pressure regulator in the engine compartment. I did mine on the frame end between the engine and the radiator when I ran this setup on my carberated 442. The fuel pressure guage just Ts into the hose between the regulator and the carberator. You can optionally put that fuel pressure guage on a short hose and mount the hose to the T so that you can look at the guage under the hood or put it under your wiper blade when you want to look at it while making a pass at the track test n tune or back road testing.

You will also need a return to the tank line. Here is one $21 http://www.jegs.com/i/Allstar+Performan ... 8/10002/-1

Lets see
$87 tank
$50 sending unit
$98 pump
$97 fuel pressure regulator
$21 fuel line.
$353 total

I didn't search for the best prices I just grabbed the first I could find for most of the stuff.

If you don't already have a fuel pressure guage here is one for $19. http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS+Performance+ ... 0/10002/-1

Edit I forgot the fuel filter. I don't have a price I just used an early 90s 350tpi Camaro simple in line unit that was off the shelf at the local auto parts store for cheap. I mounted mine back by the tank in the little rubber line between the tank connection and your existing hard fuel line. Don't reuse your old hose get 3 feet of new 3/8" high pressure fuel line hose at any auto parts store cheap. You will cut it into 3 pieces feed line two pieces with the filter between them and one for the return line between your new hard line and the tank return connection. On the hard line you can option up to a steel line and use a bender or use the cheap easy to bend by hand aluminum and quality clamps or cheap zip ties your budget your choice. BTW I am told 3/8" line will support to about $600HP. I used it to feed a 500HP 509 with an 800 cfm Q-jet & had no problems, and I know that because I could check it at my windshield.

Your done. All new, all plug n play or as close as can be. Pump is quiet, safe, should live the life of any new car fuel pump. No loud buzzing pump and no having it hanging behind your bumper to be a hazard or to tip the guy in next lane off that you have a fuel system. Not only is it better and safer its also cheaper and easier than an old school gravity fed conversion with welded in sump or cell. Like I said just like a new Vette only with a carb instead of a fuel rail with injectors. Let me clarify better for a street car if you are building a wild drag car there probably is things better suited for your application.
 
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Cool! I'll be referring back to this thread a couple times I'm sure. And $350 isn't all that bad, just a little more than I was prepared to spend on the external system, plus I get a new fuel tank out of the deal. And my GP tank is 22 gal (?) I think so that will be nice to get a smaller baffled tank, AND no buzzing noise either.


drogg1 said:
I would just add that you do a little researching into how much fuel your engine needs, i.e. gallons per hour and pressure.

I did type my hp into a fuel calculator that I found, and came up with 33 gph minimum. So yeah, I think you're right to get one that is well above that # even if I don't plan to race the car
 
I'm thinking you need more like ~75gph for that horsepower.
 
I am assuming its for the GP in the picture? Just for fit or mounting make sure that they have the same basic tank size and shape as the 81 thru 87. I would assume they do but you know what they say about those who assume. :mrgreen:
 
Yeah, but considering the fuel filler neck is behind the license plate, I'm sure there's a way to shoe-horn it in there. Besides, it might be narrower and allow me some wiggle room for dual exhaust :mrgreen:
 
454muscle said:
Basically, and that's what I did to mine (mine is EFI and required 50 psi of pressure). Here's what I bought and had installed very recently:
All parts were looked up for "1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Base 6 Cyl 4.3L" <-- baffled tank and intank pump
- gas tank
- acdelco in-tank fuel pump (I heard is the most reliable over Wallbro or Carter)
- gas tank sending unit
The parts were actually not a bad price too. $84 for the tank, $56 for the pump

This makes me wonder if you have installed that pump yet. The stock pump for a tbi 4.3 will never come close to 50psi.
 
jrm81bu said:
454muscle said:
Basically, and that's what I did to mine (mine is EFI and required 50 psi of pressure). Here's what I bought and had installed very recently:
All parts were looked up for "1987 Chevrolet Monte Carlo Base 6 Cyl 4.3L" <-- baffled tank and intank pump
- gas tank
- acdelco in-tank fuel pump (I heard is the most reliable over Wallbro or Carter)
- gas tank sending unit
The parts were actually not a bad price too. $84 for the tank, $56 for the pump

This makes me wonder if you have installed that pump yet. The stock pump for a tbi 4.3 will never come close to 50psi.
Nah bro, I made sure to read up on the specs before I purchased it. It's range is from 60 to 90 PSI. In any event, I ended up running 2 fuel pumps -- kept my inline pump where it was, being fed by the tank pump (a lotta 1/4 mile racers do that). Lemme look up the part I bought again just to confirm...

Edit: yep, here's the part number EP381, ACDELCO. Specs: 50-60gph @ 65-75psi. Flow is 80 GPH = 255 LPH. In any event, with 2 pumps it will not run as hard and I'm certain I'll get the flow rate at the 50psi that my motor needs. And so should the OP if he decides to use the same P/N. :mrgreen:
 
dogshit said:
I am assuming its for the GP in the picture? Just for fit or mounting make sure that they have the same basic tank size and shape as the 81 thru 87. I would assume they do but you know what they say about those who assume. :mrgreen:

SPECTRA PREMIUM GM306A Fuel Tank shows fitment for all G's 78-88. Honestly, I'm still not positive! Ebay sucks :roll:
 
454muscle said:
Nah bro, I made sure to read up on the specs before I purchased it. It's range is from 60 to 90 PSI. In any event, I ended up running 2 fuel pumps -- kept my inline pump where it was, being fed by the tank pump (a lotta 1/4 mile racers do that). Lemme look up the part I bought again just to confirm...

Edit: yep, here's the part number EP381, ACDELCO. Specs: 50-60gph @ 65-75psi. Flow is 80 GPH = 255 LPH. In any event, with 2 pumps it will not run as hard and I'm certain I'll get the flow rate at the 50psi that my motor needs. And so should the OP if he decides to use the same P/N. :mrgreen:
That EP381 is not for an '87 Monte 4.3L. Its a pump for the newer model 4.3L motor and fits models all the way up to the '97 454 full-size trucks. TBI pumps are 17/18psi max
 
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