Help me run 13-13.5 1/4 with $2,000

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If you can find a decent vortec 350 at the junk yard and a 150 shot you should be in business. You should be able to get the motor and used nos stuff if you check on craigslist for less than $1000 and another $500 for someone to install.
 
I think the BBC would be a good starting point for somebody but not the OP, since it is a 96' it is probably a Vortec 7400 truck engine which was designed for torque only since it had only 290 horsepower.
And remember he is paying for all labor regardless of how small the job and since this is not a direct swap labor will be even more.
He would also need the serpentine drive system from the motorhome and all the accessories that go with it.
Really needs better heads and cam to make good horsepower
Needs to buy new headers and pay to have his exhaust reworked or replaced.
Would have to buy a new intake since this is fuel injected.
Then there are the fitment issues like having to remove or modify the AC/ Heater case and possibly a smaller brake booster.
He would need new front coil springs to carry the added weight of an iron headed BBC and would possibly have to upgrade the cooling system and could even have hood clearance issues. etc. etc.
 
Just look for a good running vortec SBC and start with that. Only thing needed to get into the 13s is a cam swap. If you only want to stay with a flat tappet cam then use the EX-268 from comp. You don't even need to change the valve springs, just change the cam and lifters and timing chain and bolt it back together. Thing should make any where from 380-400HP depending on the condition of the motor to start with. Should cost you less then $500 for the used motor and cam and lifters and chain. Should easly run mid 13s depending on the converter gears and tires and weight of the car. I have done over a dozen of these motors and it very impressive how they run.
 
hammer86 said:
If you can find a decent vortec 350 at the junk yard and a 150 shot you should be in business. You should be able to get the motor and used nos stuff if you check on craigslist for less than $1000 and another $500 for someone to install.

X2, I'm with this guy. Get a solid Vortec 350 and spray your way into the 13s.
 
Terrible advice guys. Cam swaps? Nitrous? Endless shop time. Both things that require experience and tuning. Definitely not 'I only have $2,000' swap stuff. That being said the vortec is very good starting point if your shop can dial in some cams - but the LT1 can be goaded into running a 13 something on stock cams. It pushed 5,500 pound Roadmaster and Fleetwood through a qtr mile in 16 seconds. Just saw two different trashed Roadmasters that ran/drove sell for just a few hundred dollars each. One of them had a K&N air intake already on it. The other had a chip and was tuned. These cars will never be fast and never be worth big money but they're a great swap target for someone trying to run a 13.5 in the qtr mile on regular pump gas AND daily drive. Let's not forget if you can find a Roadmaster/ Fleetwood w/ an engine trans you actually want you'll have a huge body with 4 heavy doors on it to sell parts off of or scrap and get some money back on that too. Much cheaper than buying the parts all separately. All you have to do is handle the parting out / scrapping of said donor Roadmaster / Fleetwood yourself and don't let the shop micro-manage that and cut into your rebate check. Every window motor that works and switch that isn't cracked will sell on e-bay in mere moments if you want to really go hard on the part-out and scrounge for that every cent. I just don't see any other swap coming in under $2,000 heres why: no other swap has some kind of 'rebate' money coming back in than the dusty Roadmaster/Fleetwood swap. Any other swap you do is just straight up spending spending spending trying to make the most of your $2,000 by making a series of difficult compromises on parts and the same thing happens every time - the labor comes in more hours than it was supposed to. But if you hire someone to stuff the LT1 into your car and just keep an eye on things there not a bunch of ambiguous opportunities to accrue multiple extra hours of shop time and the shop 'milk' you on the labor hours... Just trust me on this. I'm cheap, I'm Jewish, and I don't intend to spend more than a few thousand dollars on my swap either - which I also want to run on pump gas while achieving around 300hp at least. The 13 seconds 1/4 mile would be nice too but I could live with 14 for just a daily driver.
 
focused313 said:
LABOR - I will NOT be doing any labor myself. NONE.
I see now that I won't get to my goal with a cheap budget and new parts so I might as well just save another grand or two to ensure that everything is covered.

Since the $2,000 budget is not set in stone and he has no issues with waiting and spending the extra money then I think that's what he should do, he can get a nice long block that meets his needs and one that comes with a mileage warranty and have it installed by someone that is certified that keeps the warranty in tack.
I realistically think junkyard engines and used engines and adding nitrous are all out of the question, though the low initial cost might seem like a good option for some that are willing to do the work themselves I feel it just does not work for someone that is paying for all the labor and then you have buying a donor car to acquire a used engine which adds to cost again because now you are paying just to remove an engine and strip that one and prep to install in his car and it seems highly unlikely the OP is going to strip a car and sell parts to cover his expenses and also there is no guarantee that any of those engines will still be running in 6 months.
The goal here should be to make this as easy as possible with the least amount of work for the mechanic.
I think in this case spending the extra money to do it right the first time will save money in the long run from trying to do it cheap.
I would assume that not only are the 1/4 mile times important but he would want reliability and longevity so he can still be driving his car with the same engine years from now with only basic maintenance.
 
Stock LT1 runs on 87 octane with 10w-30 all day its one of the only motors he could cross his fingers on the 13.5 time he's trying to get - stock - to minimize shop time. The 4L60E that usually comes WITH the LT-1 junkyard swap is the real asset he needs... That extra gear w/ OD is the the ticket to good fuel mileage for a daily driver. Of course the vortec is a better motor and he would do better to 'build' the top end on one... Yes I know that the Lt1 is trash - that's why its like $350-400 lately. I don't doubt that the vortec is a better swap, nor deny that it can often times be acquired w/ the same 4L60E since it came in Silverado obviously... What I doubt is that he can do that swap for $2,000 or even $2,500... Basically I agree w/ everyone that it probably can't be done for $2,000. But if he would have bought this Roadmaster I saw the other day w/ a trashed interior which sold for only $650... That's a smoking LT-1 / 4L60E on wheels. Suddenly getting to 13.5 with $2,000 seems plausible in a scenario like that, where you have this big heavy scrap pile to get money back after doing the swap... not to mention parts like the doors. Anyway, I know shops in rural areas and Canada are an entirely difficult culture, but as for the shops around here they don't 'build' top ends of engines and do cam swaps... That's considered oldschool. Most shops around here would tell you to do that at the engine shop separately, and have it transported there to be installed at the shop afterwards. The ones that do build top ends on the spot would definitely charge high shop time rates and accrue more than the specified $2,000 allowance... That's just in my experience around here; not the OP necessarily, but if the shops he knows are anything like the ones I know they would want him to choose which ever option is taking up the bay for the least amount of days in a row.

Anyway, without typing a 2nd book: it's definitely a better hypothesis to the OP's question than for us to tell him: no it can't be done because I'm Hank Hill and my OCD won't allow me to jam a slip-shod stock LT-1 swap into my G-body without rebuilding it entirely first and run 13.5's by hooking up a beat up hypertech computer bought used off ebay because it feels like 'cheating' to achieve a 13.5 without doing any actual work or real physical improvements to the engine. That's not the question he asked. He didn't ask how to spend the $2,000 until he can stack up a 2nd pile of $2,000 to do the 2nd half of the job. The ways you guys proposed achieving a 13.5 qtr mile are all ways that would achieve more like a 12 second qtr mile time - but cost $4,000 by the time he's done doing all that.. It seems ridiculous to tell someone that the way to run a 13.5 qtr mile for $2,000 is 'go save another $2,000 or it simply cant be done' is basically what you guys are telling him and I disagree... I say it can be done.
 
Let's not forget he could buy an entire Silverado and swap the vortec/ 4L60E and also have nearly a ton of scrap... to be fair! There are so many rusty Silverado 2wd on Craigslist for less than $2,000 that run and drive but are just too rusty to haul loads too.
 
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