Here's why our cars are rusty piles.

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In NJ, our governor Phil Murphy vowed to make our state the brine capital of the country. It is why out state went tripke over budget on salt. Even if it is only a small risk of snow, NJDOT goes out in full force and dumps a billion tons of salt. Environmentaliets do complain but as of now they are being ignored. Too many kickbacks to fight against besides the increased GDP from more frequent car replacements. I seen NJDOT salt roads in 60 degree weather, they are trigger happy.


Excess salt does poison the environment, seeps into the watertable, kills plants, and nobody knows the full long term effects are. Besides that, salt rots out road pavement, bridges, and overpasses. I am sure it attacks water mains and underground power lines too. The overuse of salt isn't helped by how people resume speeding like crazy a minute after a snowstorm ends. Worse than the public roads are privately owned lots, who salt even for just rain.

alot of the salt use is caused by idiots suing for injuries cause there was 1/2" of snow on the sidewalk, the show removal guys in my area are no longer able to get insurance converge for slip and fall
 
I love the snow and the cold doesn't bother me, but the corrosion from the salt makes me seriously contemplate moving.

The beet juice is a great idea but I'd imagine it's prohibitively expensive for most places.
I'd like to see this beet juice thing take off. No shortage of sugar beets around my area.
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Sadly, they use a combination of salt and some type of liquid de-icer. I just don't drive cars I care about in the winter. Luckily, snow and ice is a fairly infrequent thing here.
 
alot of the salt use is caused by idiots suing for injuries cause there was 1/2" of snow on the sidewalk, the show removal guys in my area are no longer able to get insurance converge for slip and fall
That's the whole reason I don't plow snow anymore: the contract holders want their subs to carry the insurance.
 
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I'd like to see this beet juice thing take off. No shortage of sugar beets around my area.View attachment 134185

Sadly, they use a combination of salt and some type of liquid de-icer. I just don't drive cars I care about in the winter. Luckily, snow and ice is a fairly infrequent thing here.

This is the stuff my dad is really, really knowledgeable about. Back when he was still working for an engineering firm he did a lot of work for different municipalities and several PennDOT projects.

Last night after seeing the beet juice post I asked him about it. He told me beet juice has been around for a long time, maybe under different names but it's not a new product. He said when he was doing work for PennDOT they did an extensive cost benefit analysis study on probably a dozen or more alternatives to road salt, primary concern being bridge, overpass, and road surface deterioration. And the cost benefit analysis showed that there were several products that were actually worth using in the long run. He said one was some type of alcohol. However it wasn't a big enough cost difference and would take several years before costs started balancing out, and more importantly, it's all political. Try convincing politicians who know absolutely nothing about anything to use a slightly more expensive product now to save money in the long run. Politicians can't think more than 5 minutes into the future much less several years. And if it's more expensive, well that might cut into their annual raises, but they will tell you "It'll hurt the taxpayers, and salt isn't even corrosive according to our salt supplier (who the politician just happens to own a stake in) and blah, blah, blah..."


Ya know, politics.
 
I know Winnipeg uses beet juice. However, my father in law used to drive semi up there and said the roads were atrocious.
 
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the salt air from the ocean can cause corrosion, my uncle lived on Florida's east coast and it didn't take too long for the windows on motor home that were facing the coast to corrode and he wasn't able to open them
 
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