HOLY FRIGGEN SWEET....... NICE JOB MOOG!!!!!!
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They make the spindle taller which raises the upper control arm's spindle mounting point. If you draw a line from the center of the upper control arm's bushing to the center of the ball joint,you'll find that the line will travel up hill as it moves from the ball joint to the bushing. We need this line to travel downward to help the car turn. The lower joint also moves the steering arm upward because it is part of the spindle. This can greatly help or eliminate bump steer. Since the longer lower joint lowers the car,it raises the roll center and this is good for cornering.
Cars been turning good for 40 years cant see wasting another 100 bucks just for uppers on a Chinese balljoint when the Moog's have USA Moog's in them.
Come drive on NY streets no ball joint is going to make a difference!!!!!🤣
Come drive on NY streets no ball joint is going to make a difference!!!!!🤣
You can swerve around potholes faster than anybody!!!!!
Let me preface this that I have nothing against tall ball joints or their use. That said...
Tall ball joints effectively increase spindle height. And the upper will help with your neg camber on turns a little. Tall lowers will instantly lower the car AND increase spindle height. Nobody normally talks about your tie-rod angle changing which can usually increase bump steer if left alone. But you can eliminate that by doing what? Spending more money on a bump steer tie rod kit. More $$$ for not much gain, IMO.
Unless you just WANT to do it, there's no reason to on a 1/4 mile car or stock street cruiser. You'd need more than just ball joints to help a G-body handle like an F-body. I personally would only consider the taller ball joints if it was part of a complete handling package project or I got them for FREE.
Anyone who thought Geometry taught in school was useless finds that this situation is exactly the time it helps to have not fell asleep in class.
To me, it's another one of those "everyone's doing it" but don't quite do the entire job to extract the most benefit of such a deal such as build the entire suspension for handling. Just my opinion.
In TURNA 's case, I think his Moog parts and a good quality lower ball joint and good bushings will do him just fine. I'm assuming he's not wanting a handling monster.
Tall ball joints effectively increase spindle height. And the upper will help with your neg camber on turns a little. Tall lowers will instantly lower the car AND increase spindle height. Nobody normally talks about your tie-rod angle changing which can usually increase bump steer if left alone. But you can eliminate that by doing what? Spending more money on a bump steer tie rod kit. More $$$ for not much gain, IMO.
Unless you just WANT to do it, there's no reason to on a 1/4 mile car or stock street cruiser. You'd need more than just ball joints to help a G-body handle like an F-body. I personally would only consider the taller ball joints if it was part of a complete handling package project or I got them for FREE.
Anyone who thought Geometry taught in school was useless finds that this situation is exactly the time it helps to have not fell asleep in class.
To me, it's another one of those "everyone's doing it" but don't quite do the entire job to extract the most benefit of such a deal such as build the entire suspension for handling. Just my opinion.
In TURNA 's case, I think his Moog parts and a good quality lower ball joint and good bushings will do him just fine. I'm assuming he's not wanting a handling monster.
you want to get the upper control arm point up instead of the sock set up of pointing down. When the control arm is point down and you compress the suspension when cornering the upper control arm arc will give you more positive camber before it goes to negative camber. You want only negative camber when the suspension is compressed to give the tire a flatter and wider contact patch. When an upper is sitting above the center line when you compress the suspension the negative camber increases the more you compress the suspension.
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