Yeah, that is a bit better than the 27 Imperial I got with my BIL's truck, impressive.
Let me clear the air!
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He there been any cam wear issues on the Gen 5 with the DOD? Any oil usage or carboning with the direct injection? Ford went to DOD for 21 as well, wonder if they will have cam issues. Some Hemi's with DOD have wear issues, not sure of the years. The VVT makes the 3.6 in the Challenger so much stronger down low than the old 3.5 it replaced. Passing, it hits 160 km/hr in a hurry. It also tows my 1000 pound boat and it's 4100 pound lardy *ss, just fine.
So did you guys all make up yet? Does this mean the circle jerk is back on?
I call like I see it, no blind loyalty here. A vehicle or motor has to woo me and give that special feeling. There is no better sound than an Olds V8!
FWIW, you would beat my 4x4 2500 yukon 8.1 empty. But I beat that pulling around 11,000 loaded behind us plus another good 1500+ in the cargo area when we averaged nearer 14mpg calculated by gas fillups and odometer readings. It was summer, with ac running front and rear, averaging about 75mph on speedometer. Mileage and speed would be slightly higher from running 265s instead of 245s, but nothing drastically higher.
All depends on what you see primary use being. Sometimes a bigger motor is more economical, and, because the yukon mostly tows, for us it's a better choice in that capacity. But I've encountered that in the past with choosing between a purpose built vehicle and a jack of all trades.
We're fortunate with space and abilities that we try to get different cars for each purpose. For those that can't, or just don't want to deal with the upkeep and costs of multiple vehicles, a newer rig like yours may make more sense.
I've only towed once with my 2020 Sierra Denali 4wd. That 6.2 DI is a sleeping giant compared to the previous 5.3 VVT in my 2010. ~7,000 lbs was absolutely NO problem. And the VVT on the 2010 was better yet than my 2006 5.3 without VVT, IMO.
6.2 towed the weight like it wasn't even there once you started to move. Put it in gear and it didn't crawl forward when letting off the brake, but otherwise it was an easy peasy tow. The issue is that I only have 2,900 miles on it in 16 months so I'm very low on any useable data. The tow wasn't far, so I don't have any mileage associated with towing weight. But best avg empty is 27 mpg. But I kinda don't really care about mileage or I would have bought a Moped scooter.
I can say this about the DI 6.2 and the DoD thing, aka DFM...I cannot really feel when the cylinders drop out or when they come back into play like I could when I had the 5.3 AFM before I tuned that sh*t out. The 2012-13 5.3 versions were pretty bad in that the oil would get sucked past the rings during valve closing causing numerous rebuilds under warranty. I'm sure others did too, but I heard a lot about the 2012-13 5.3 oil suckers. They do the DoD differently now but I'm not sure exactly how it works and there's no easy way to disable it. The 2020 is virtually tune-proof currently without big $$ and messing with new PCM's and stuff. Maybe they'll figure something out that's not big bucks by the time the warranty is up. But so far I'm ok with how the engine behaves. The only thing I did to it is I added an oil catch can to it because of DI, so we'll see how that goes.
6.2 towed the weight like it wasn't even there once you started to move. Put it in gear and it didn't crawl forward when letting off the brake, but otherwise it was an easy peasy tow. The issue is that I only have 2,900 miles on it in 16 months so I'm very low on any useable data. The tow wasn't far, so I don't have any mileage associated with towing weight. But best avg empty is 27 mpg. But I kinda don't really care about mileage or I would have bought a Moped scooter.
I can say this about the DI 6.2 and the DoD thing, aka DFM...I cannot really feel when the cylinders drop out or when they come back into play like I could when I had the 5.3 AFM before I tuned that sh*t out. The 2012-13 5.3 versions were pretty bad in that the oil would get sucked past the rings during valve closing causing numerous rebuilds under warranty. I'm sure others did too, but I heard a lot about the 2012-13 5.3 oil suckers. They do the DoD differently now but I'm not sure exactly how it works and there's no easy way to disable it. The 2020 is virtually tune-proof currently without big $$ and messing with new PCM's and stuff. Maybe they'll figure something out that's not big bucks by the time the warranty is up. But so far I'm ok with how the engine behaves. The only thing I did to it is I added an oil catch can to it because of DI, so we'll see how that goes.
I have never drove the 2012 or 2013. My BIL has a 2013, will have to ask if he has issues. The 2011 was better than the 03 and 04 5.3, I drove. At first I liked then hated the 6 speed the more I drove it, constantly hunted for power and never found it, again below probably 3500, trying to be fair. Good to know it was VVT. The 2017 5.3 8 spd that replaced it, holy sh*t, 35 hp more my *ss. The 8 spd shift timing was much better as well. Glad to hear the DOD oil burning issue is fixed. I like that Ford has direct and port injection on their 5L and the EcoBoost now. The 5L has 400 hp and 410 tq with DOD for 21, very impressive. Surprised Ford went with such a small bore motor replacing the ok, small bore Modular motors which had their own issues. I remember the spark plugs flying out, 4.6 and breaking off and seizing 5.4. Supposedly the 5.4 3 valve cam phasers seize, makes the VVT useless and bad things happen. Why in the hell didn't Ford do everything 4 valve anyways. An OHC 2 valve motor is stupid IMHO. The Coyote tiny displacement reminds of the Studebaker V8, they made it too small because high compression is the future and 1 million octane will be available. Ford maxed out at 5.2 L. Very impressive output for tiny displacement. Ford has or had their BB 6.2, they only put 2 valve heads on it, why not 4 valve? Now they they have the 7.3 push rod motor, sure why not. GM also has their push rod 6.6 gas truck engine. Both will probably become very popular in crate and junkyard versions for swaps. I can see stepping away from diesels. These 1/2 ton and 3/4 ton diesel hopefully are better problem wise than the big stuff, DEF is a nightmare. We currently have 2014 Peterbilt sitting with a fried ECM and none are available anywhere, not new and used, none found so far.
