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i've decided to put my spare 305 in it for now and fix it up so it's reliable enough to drive my car daily in june adn take it to prom. then i'm hoping to rebuild the v6. if it need too much i'm going to try and buy a running one. to my knowledge it doesn't need very much but it's easier for now to just put a 305 in it.
my cousin told me he stumbled onto a site that sells stroker kits for v6's. to my knowledge you can bore any motor so i'd like to possibly bore it and stroke it or just one of the two in a few years. i'm not sure how much that would affect the gas milage though.
since the gn had the v6 and could put out about 250 hp i believe with a cold air intake, upgraded wires,plugs, headers and a turbo and the right gears i can reach the same and possibly more. and i'd like to put a v6 in it to sort of pay hommage to the gn.
i've never looked into v6's so could any one reccamend some minor upgrades that would help me reach my goal. also what kind of transmissions will fit on the v6's, is it the standard 200r, th350 etc and what gears do you reccamend?
thanks for all the information guys.
my cousin told me he stumbled onto a site that sells stroker kits for v6's. to my knowledge you can bore any motor so i'd like to possibly bore it and stroke it or just one of the two in a few years. i'm not sure how much that would affect the gas milage though.
since the gn had the v6 and could put out about 250 hp i believe with a cold air intake, upgraded wires,plugs, headers and a turbo and the right gears i can reach the same and possibly more. and i'd like to put a v6 in it to sort of pay hommage to the gn.
i've never looked into v6's so could any one reccamend some minor upgrades that would help me reach my goal. also what kind of transmissions will fit on the v6's, is it the standard 200r, th350 etc and what gears do you reccamend?
thanks for all the information guys.
No offence young man and we are glad you are here. But you don't know enough to know what you don't know. 🙂 Part of these forums are for learning and we are glad you are here asking questions.
A stroker kit for a naturally aspirated V6 probably just isn't cost effective for a street car. To open the door to make power especially in a naturally aspirated motor is in the heads. Ported heads cost. Unless you are willing to buy tools read and educate yourself about porting and what works on what type of heads / motors and why and then spend hours doing hard work practice and still probably not get the results you are looking for the first time. Without it you just push what horsepower it makes lower in the rpm band but you do at least get more torque.
Strapping a turbo on a naturally aspirated carberated V6 that never came with a turbo ain't a cheap & easy cost effective deal either. If you did it and had some help getting it set up and tuned to make some power you would push the cheap head gaskets that were not made with boost in mind out in no time. And then on to the next weak link such as the fuel system.
Not saying nothing ain't do-able just that it may not be cost/work to power effective and that you need to keep educating yourself so that you have some kind of look before you leap. At the end of the day there still are certain things you are only going to learn by doing. Just that you want to plan your work and then work your plan. My advice would be to pick a simple tried and true modification or swap that gets know results and try to duplicate it. Not knocking the turbo V6 heck mine makes about 500 HP.. when I can keep everything working right.
Generally to get the quickest acceleration out of a street car and still maintain good fuel economy cruise rpm for the highway you will want a 3.73 gear with an overdrive transmission such as the 200-4R. You might study up on the best, or acceptably affordable, and reliable for your goals, way of doing that and then work that plan. After that is completed you can work on whatever by then you decided is to be your phase 2.
Oh yea and remember all the advice you get here or on any forum isn't necessarily fact its just people trying to help based on what they know or think they know. David Vizard's internet articles are well respected. Forums that are specific to a subject such as a particular motor are generally going to give better answers and advice on that subject. Google & Wikipedia can be helpful. An automotive class at your local trade school / high school affiliate can be money and time well spent. Just look from the perspective that you do have a real interest or you would not be here and that cars are on one level or another probably going to be a part of the foreseeable future of your life.
A stroker kit for a naturally aspirated V6 probably just isn't cost effective for a street car. To open the door to make power especially in a naturally aspirated motor is in the heads. Ported heads cost. Unless you are willing to buy tools read and educate yourself about porting and what works on what type of heads / motors and why and then spend hours doing hard work practice and still probably not get the results you are looking for the first time. Without it you just push what horsepower it makes lower in the rpm band but you do at least get more torque.
Strapping a turbo on a naturally aspirated carberated V6 that never came with a turbo ain't a cheap & easy cost effective deal either. If you did it and had some help getting it set up and tuned to make some power you would push the cheap head gaskets that were not made with boost in mind out in no time. And then on to the next weak link such as the fuel system.
Not saying nothing ain't do-able just that it may not be cost/work to power effective and that you need to keep educating yourself so that you have some kind of look before you leap. At the end of the day there still are certain things you are only going to learn by doing. Just that you want to plan your work and then work your plan. My advice would be to pick a simple tried and true modification or swap that gets know results and try to duplicate it. Not knocking the turbo V6 heck mine makes about 500 HP.. when I can keep everything working right.
Generally to get the quickest acceleration out of a street car and still maintain good fuel economy cruise rpm for the highway you will want a 3.73 gear with an overdrive transmission such as the 200-4R. You might study up on the best, or acceptably affordable, and reliable for your goals, way of doing that and then work that plan. After that is completed you can work on whatever by then you decided is to be your phase 2.
Oh yea and remember all the advice you get here or on any forum isn't necessarily fact its just people trying to help based on what they know or think they know. David Vizard's internet articles are well respected. Forums that are specific to a subject such as a particular motor are generally going to give better answers and advice on that subject. Google & Wikipedia can be helpful. An automotive class at your local trade school / high school affiliate can be money and time well spent. Just look from the perspective that you do have a real interest or you would not be here and that cars are on one level or another probably going to be a part of the foreseeable future of your life.
dogshit said:
^^^^What he said. I know a lot of us talk crap about sbc swaps because they're common. In reality, they're the best bang for the buck and really have an edge when it comes to simplicity and "getting your feet wet" with engine swaps. If you have a good running 305 why not run it until you become more seasoned? The parts are cheaper and aftermarket support is plentiful.
I had all of these grandiose ideas when I was an 18 y/o and wasted a lot of money on junk when I could've had one reliable car. Try a Torquer single plane intake on a 400sbc in a '72 Caprice with factory rear gears! I've had piecemeal exhaust fall apart several times because I had to have headers, not to mention hacked up cross members that eventually sagged, heat soaked starters, burned plug wires and collector blowouts. It was all part of the learning process though.
Luckily you can learn by our mistakes though the internet. All we had back then was trial & error....and maybe a gearhead uncle or 2.
dogshit said:
no offence taken. i can admit i don't know a whole lot but i'm always willing to learn more. i like to think i know enough to be able to learn and cary a conversation.
i do know not most stock blocks can handle a turbo with out upgrades which is why most imports who throw on a turbo blow the engine up.
i try to not get ahead of myself with plans and stuff and like most things these idea's aren't set in stone. i'd like to put a tubro on it eventually but not untill i learn how to rebuild one if it goes and how to tune it.
also i make sure when posting that it's about something i know of or that what i say isn't completly wrong. that's the main reason i like this forum is because you guys point out mistakes but do so the poster knows for next time and can learn.
G-Body_Vet said:
that's the game plan for now. i'm going to fix the 305 because it has a small things i need to tweek but i'm putitng it in the regal so i can drive it then on the side get the v6 fixed and running good then think of upgrades.
and yeah that's how i am now. i wasted money on 3 cutlasses and ended up the new ones i thought were oin great shape are worse than my 88. so they became parts cars but i'd rather have spent the money to have my 88 on the road now.
thanks for all the imput and tips guys it's def a lot of good advice
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