BUILD THREAD my 1980 Grand Prix w/BBC 454 build thread

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TURNA

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I was just going through your posts and seen this.


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I had the same problem Edelbrock intake, Edelbrock pump and the holes don't line up at all.
When I called them about it the guy didn't know what to say.
Then he told me they sell a hose setup for 70 buxx!!
American engineering at it's best!!

Anyway this is how I ran mine. The hose needs an inch or so cut off the longer end.
















 
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454GrandPrix

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I had the same problem Edelbrock intake, Edelbrock pump and the holes don't line up at all.

My water pump is not an Edelbrock brand; it is some generic model I got from Summit Racing. Still, I like how you resolved the problem with that 45^ elbow fitting. I wish I had found one of those for my car.
 

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I've put close to 300 miles on the new engine by now. Things seem to be working reasonably well. There are still carburetor quirks, of course, and those just make me want to install my EFI sooner rather than later. But I need to shift my focus to Jeep prep for EJS, so I doubt I'll do anything else of significance to the Pontiac until after Easter.

I did record another clip at idle, just so you all know I really did fix my header leak. (I wish my phone would record at louder volume.)


Driving this thing makes me happy. As I've mentioned, the EZ-TCU provides firm, solid shifts even without telling the computer to go overboard. If I gently roll into a bit of throttle from a standstill, it will reliably bark the tires on the 1-2 upshift. This controller is much more aggressive than the OEM programming in my Suburban.


Anyway, I'm having fun.
 
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TURNA

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Sounds sweet!!
 

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How much was the 4L80 controller?
 

454GrandPrix

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How much was the 4L80 controller?

I got it for $575 on sale online, though most places sell it for about $600. I think it is great, and well worth the price. I would recommend it to anyone.
 

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Brain fart! This morning it dawned on me: in last night's post I completely forgot to mention curb weight.

Yesterday while on a casual drive in the GP, I realized I was in the general area of the recycling yard where I weigh my vehicles. The car was relatively empty as far as needless cargo goes, and the gas tank was essentially full, so I decided it would be a good time to find out my "after" weight so I can compare it to when the car was stock. Without further ado:

Stock (all iron 231/3.8L V6, 3spd auto, 7.5" axle, single soda straw exhaust): 3,320 lbs
Modified (454 w/iron heads, 4L80E, Ford 8.8 axle, dual 3" exhaust system): 3,740 lbs

Amazingly, it seems I've picked up enough extra power to overcome the additional 420 pounds of mass. ;)


And speaking of full tanks of fuel, for the first time with the V8 I calculated my mileage when I filled up yesterday morning. That fuel was used nearly 50-50 between city and highway driving; I managed 11.75 mpg.
 
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Worth it!
 

454GrandPrix

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For the curious: my next fill-up netted 12.35 mpg, but the one after that dropped to 10.9 mpg (no highway driving on that tank).

I am planning out my next move. I am debating between installing the EFI (which would require a new gas tank & pump assembly), upgrading the front brakes (they are down to the wear indicators, and the RWD 2nd-gen Blazer setup bolts on), or addressing the rear axle (installing c-clip eliminators and new axle shafts). Decisions, decisions.

Oh! I did do something a few weeks ago, and it is well worth mentioning here. Ever since getting the car running with the V8, I have had a bizarre variety of intermittent electrical issues. For example, my 4-pack of secondary gauges would sometimes wiggle all their needles in unison... but since my primary gauges didn't do the same thing, I figured it had to do with a poor connection in their wiring (the 4-pack is wired completely independent from the primary gauges). I would also notice the volt gauge indicated the alternator would struggle to get past 12v any time I was at idle, and even at moderate RPM seemingly small loads would cause the gauge to drop significantly. The real kicker was nighttime driving: the car's entire lighting system would randomly dim sharply for no apparent reason, as if the entire lighting system was shorting out or something. Replacing the alternator didn't make a lick of difference. It was weird.

Then one day Mike and I stopped by O'Reilly. Eric was telling us about his '64 El Camino which he just got running, and out of the blue he shared a fascinating tale. "Man, when I started driving the car it kept having electrical problems. I'd be going along and it was like the entire car would suddenly short out--the headlights would go dark, the engine would sputter, the gauges went nuts, etc. Someone asked me about ground straps, so I went home and dug up a plain old GM engine-to-firewall strap. I attached it to the back of the intake manifold and the firewall. Suddenly all of my electrical problems were fixed."

I started thinking about the GP. I couldn't recall hooking up any sort of ground wire like this. Furthermore, the car's negative battery cable has a beefy wire going to the engine block, but does not have a smaller wire going to the body. Hmm. Could my solution really be so simple? As soon as I got home, I went looking through my garage for a ground strap. I didn't have a GM one, but I did have a couple from FWD turbo Mopars. I figured the electrons wouldn't mind the brand mismatch, so I installed one between the back of the intake manifold and the firewall.

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Bam! Just like that, all of my electrical gremlins disappeared. Gauge needles stopped flickering, alternator charges properly, my voltage doesn't drop, my headlights stay bright, etc etc etc.

Ground straps, people! Ground straps!
 
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Ground straps, people! Ground straps!
I think this happens a lot especially with engine swaps since most people don't think that much about the electrical system until they have issues.
I have always thought the factory grounds were barely adequate and having a trunk mounted battery I realized how important wire size and grounds are along with keeping voltage drop to the bare minimum.
 
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