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Some thoughts. It looks like you have a very good combination for a driver. Your car should probably be faster with what you already have. Don't go buying parts yet the motor combo looks fine as do the gears. I suspect you will gain a lot from a converter. If you have a tach I think we can roughly check the stall speed. More on that later. First get a timeslip from the local test & tune. The mph is important to you to know the power its making, its current potential, & at what rpm you are shifting & crossing the line. The 60 foot will help you with converter issues and probable traction issues.

Use Valvoline VR1. It says raceing oil but for you that just means it has the proper amount of zinc etc for hydraulic or flat tappet cammed engine like yours and most of ours ie non roller motors. It more expensive than regular oil but cheaper & easier than adding one of the zinc / zddp additive kits. You may have to ask your local automotive store to carry it in 10/30 which would be ideal. Most autoparts stores will have 15/40 or 20/50 which will also work but is a little thick especially if the rebuild is fresh. No need for synthetic and it often makes for leaks in an engine with some miles on it. Also use a good oil filter such as a wix or napa gold.

Your carberator is the ideal carberator for a real street car or "a driver". Especially for a big block. It is NOT too big. The Rochester Q-jet has a three venturi system so its capable a being responsive even on a small displacement or weak stock motor. GTO 78 is thinking along the lines of square bore Holleys which if you had a larger Holley that might hold some validity. But you don't.

Did you check out the other two boards I listed for you? They both have more Olds engine tuning gurus and racing gurus on them than this board. I believe timing, carberation, etc tuning issues is your first priority and that your car should be much faster than it is and that you just need help sorting it out. Again get some time slips so you actually know where you are then you can start making tuning adjustments and run again to measure your results. I have seen ill timed cars go from sloggy to responsive and pick up 3 or 4 tenths from tuning alone. That is 3 or 4 car lengths in the quarter which would make a big difference in your street encounters. Also seek out from the previous owner who built & put this car together. That person knows what he did (and didn't get to) and can be great help for you. Lastly when you are at the test & tune you can find another local Olds racer one who is going fast who can help you get it sorted out. Between realoldspower, the builder, & a local successful Olds racer I am sure you can get her sorted out. And leave 9 out of 10 cars on the street looking at your tail lights. And have great fun chasing the cork and getting her faster. Warning if you do this you will likely end up with an a addition. :mrgreen:
 
gto78 said:
Did you figure out why your car was acting weak/slow? Our Pontiac had been sitting for a few months and then when racing season started again we brought out the car and it was over a second slower in the 1/4 mile. It ended up being a problem with the timing advance mechanical weights sticking inside the distributor. That was one major factor. Another thing that's happened to me is the secondaries getting plugged up, or the floats being out of adjustment after the car sits for several months. BTW the 850 carb seems way to big for your 425.

Our 400 ran best with a 650 square bore carb. In fact we spent months trying to tune and rejet a 750 that everyone else claimed was what a 400 needs to run right, and the 750 just would not come close to the 650 performance. We easily run about .3-.4 faster at the drag strip. The Holley carb book has a formula that you can use to figure out what size carb is needed based on cubic inches, rpms and the basic efficiency of the engine- ours recommended 625.

Thanks for the tips guys.

I did take my car into my mechanic to get it tuned up. I'm going to learn how to do all the basics myself this year, but I just wanted someone that knew what they were doing to check it over right after I got it.

When I got the car it had a pretty lopey idle, even with the small cam in it. I thought it was cool. After I got the car back from the tune up, the mechanic set the timing right on it and there was no more lopey idle. It idled really smooth.

After leaving the mechanic's shop, I almost ate crap pulling out on to the main road. I wasn't used to that much torque on the car. It ran like a raped ape after that tune up.

btw - the mechanic is an old friend. He has had a late 70's Olds in his shop that he's been building since I met him 10+ years ago. He knows a lot about Olds, and after seeing my car he wants to drop a 455 in his Cutlass. He was going to go with a 400.

I did notice though, that the car seems to have good days and bad days after that tune up. Some days it would run waaaay better, and other days it wouldn't run as well. Maybe bog a little.

I have a gas leak from one of my carb gaskets. I picked up a book and I'm learning about Quadrajets. I'm thinking about trying to replace that gasket and also look into tuning up the carb. I kind of think it might not be opening all the way under WOT.

I have all the notes from the mechanic at home, I'll post them up on friday. He even scoped my cylinders to check out my pistons and all that. I think he wanted to know everything about my engine so he could build his faster, lol.

Either way, he gave me a lot more info about my engine, I'll post that up ASAP.

My engine from what I can tell, is a 455 block, with 425 internals (crank, rods) and 425 heads. I didn't know this until the HurstOlds meet, but someone told me it has a Toronado intake on it as well. The intake dips down a little, rather than rising up in the middle.

The car now (when I bought it) has a Quadrajet 7045193 0485 on it. From my understanding, it's from a Chevy Cadillac 500 cid engine from 1975. I also read in a book I got (Ruggles) that 1975 Quadrajets are not the best to go with. When I get it apart I'll be able to tell if it has the
APP (Aux Power Piston) or the APT (Adjustable Part Throttle). They say that the APT is the better of the two?

Ruggles' book says for a Street/Strip application, you can calculate the CFM = RPMxCID/3456
I just used 455 for the CID (I know it's less than this), 5500 for the RPM and got CFM = 724

The carb probably is a little too big for the application, but I don't think that should be a problem. I do think I need to go through the carb and fix that leak and make sure I'm getting correct response under WOT.
 
dogshit said:
Some thoughts. ..... More on that later. First get a timeslip from the local test & tune. The mph is important to you to know the power its making, its current potential, & at what rpm you are shifting & crossing the line. The 60 foot will help you with converter issues and probable traction issues.

Use Valvoline VR1. Also use a good oil filter such as a wix or napa gold.

Did you check out the other two boards I listed for you? ..... Warning if you do this you will likely end up with an a addition. :mrgreen:

I did get to one test and tune last year. I actually got in like 15+ runs. It was my first time drag racing ever and I wanted to learn just how to do it. Everyone there thought I was nuts. I didn't have the best tires either so I had to play with that some. I got the best results by dropping the air pressure in the rears to like 15 psi. Any higher and I would spin them at the line.
I'll post up some times tomorrow to get some insight about all of that.

I am going to most likely go with Valvoline VR1 and a Wix filter. Car already has a Wix filter on it. I already like Valvoline for all my other cars. I'll check out that other board and see what they recommend, but I'll probably just go with the VR1. Thanks for explaining the zinc and stuff, I didn't know any of that.

I did post up on realoldspower. They seem to offer the best info, thanks for giving me those suggestions.

This is already evolving into an addiction. With the new Camaros coming out, I want to at least be able to hang with them. Once I get my existing setup running perfect, I'm going to work on the gas mileage. I'll probably go with a 4 speed and a taller rear gear for piddling around town. I can then just swap in my shorter gear when I want to race or whatever. I heard it's pretty easy to do on a Ford 9" rear end
This year I'm going with tires and a carb rebuild.

Oh, I need to get a tach too. The one in my rally pack doesn't work correctly. Unfortunately I don't know the RPMs that I'm shifting at and whatnot. Probably not smart to race like this. :blam: My mechanic fixed the pack so all my other gauges work correctly, but my speed is wrong and tach is wrong. Speed, because of the different tire/rear gear. He tried to swap in another speedo gear set but it wouldnt work or whatever. I just use a GPS for speed while driving for now.
 
HurstOlds said:
Oh, I need to get a tach too. The one in my rally pack doesn't work correctly. Unfortunately I don't know the RPMs that I'm shifting at and whatnot. Probably not smart to race like this.

Invest in a MSD ignition box. I run a 6AL in my 442.

Even if you don't think you need it, it's worth it's weight in gold to have a rev-limiter.
 
I have a tach so I know the rpm's and can set the idle etc, but for racing... I don't like trying to read a tach when racing so I use a shift light. I can keep my eyes focused on the tree for the start of the race and then focus on working the gas and clutch and keeping traction etc. All I need to know is each time the light comes on I shift. If you race for "Dial in" or any form of bracket racing where you have to be consistent then you really need a shift light.

Looks like you're just daily driving and race for fun only once in a while, so the shift light isn't needed but doesn't hurt to have. The rev limiter's always great to have, although I've never had one and never over revved during a race. Lots of people have over-revved and sometimes damaged their engines, so if you have the extra money to buy it, money well spent.

I didn't realize you were running Q-jet. The Q-jets I look at differently as far as their CFM rating. I think the Q-jet CFM will automatically vary according to how much air is demanded by the engine, because of the big spring loaded plate on top of the secondaries. I think that carb is fine for your application, especially after your thinking about mileage.

I still think you have a 425 after reading your post and engine specs. The 455 and 425 are the same bore right? Now you have a 425 bore and 425 stroke, so I think it's still 425 unless I missed something like an offset grind or somethin else. It just happens to be in a 455 block. That would mean the carburetor formula = 676 cfm....I think if you changed carbs your goin to get the best throttle response and efficiency out of a 700 cfm, especially on a low rpm torque maker like you have.
 
I have been thinking about getting a rev limiter (MSD 6AL). I have already accidentally popped it into neutral while drag racing or doing burnouts. After I did it the second time, I'm way more careful now to f*ck around with doing that.

I see what you're saying GTO78....I'm just not sure if this engine has resized 455 rods or 425 rods in it. I listed what was given to me on the spec sheet in the first post. The guy had listed on there "66 425 forged rods resized", along with 455 rods resized. I don't know wtf that means.

The guy I bought the car from already had the car built like this, so he has no clue.
 
ok, the here's the notes from the mechanic, work performed 04/21/2009

replaced spark plugs
replaced cap and rotor
adjusted carb
timing was at 3 btdc, now 16 btdc
dish pistons plus 80cc heads = 8.5 or 9.0 compression

I had made 16 passes at the local track last year. Please keep in mind this was my first time ever drag racing, and I was on worn street tires.
The best pass I could get was when I let the car cool down before making the pass, flipped the air cleaner lid upside down (not sure if that helps), and let out half the air in the rear tires to cut down on wheel spin.

I thought I was able to break into the 13's but looking back at my slips I'm wrong. The best run I could make was a 14.147
I actually made that same exact time twice
First run at 6:59 pm September 11 2010. This is full weight, I'm guessing like 3800 pounds. Oh, I have small (short) tires too...not sure if that makes a difference
.241 R/T
2.121 60
6.005 330
9.131 1/8
80.06 MPH
11.854 1000
14.147 1/4
97.55 MPH

Second time I ran this at 7:07 pm:
.380 R/T
2.069 60
5.958 330
9.107 1/8
79.51 MPH
11.839 1000
14.147 1/4
96.97 MPH

All runs were around 96 mph at the end. The fastest was the 97.55. Like I said, this is my first time racing I still don't really know what's going on. A buddy had to tell me that the bottom most light on the tree isn't the one you GO on. I guess it's red??? Stupid colorblindness. Any help would be appreciated.

Next time I go, I'm bringing my buddy's carb. It's another quadrajet, but he seems to think it'll perform a lot better than my car. Even WOT I don't hear the 4 barrels like I used to with my old 307 carb (in my old car). Something's up

There were runs when the car would bog near the end of the pass and fall flat on it's face. Like it wasn't getting enough fuel or something. I'm trying to learn more about quadrajets so I can fix that problem.
 
I know very little about Q-jets. However I seem to remember something to do with the choke being able to lock out the secondaries from opening. I think it can lock that upper plate from opening on the 4 barrel side of the carb if it thinks the carb is cold. Possibly its just stuck in the locked position- if there is such a thing.

My guess is the weight of that car is approx 3400 lbs. If you have a standard stall torque converter than your 60 ft isn't too bad especially without slicks.You can experiment launching with your foot on the brake and holding at 1100 rpm, 1200 rpm etc. As the tree is blinking down the 3 yellow lights I normally launch about 1/2 second into the last yellow already being lit. If you see a red light than you took off before the green light and would technically lose that race.

Your car can run mid to low 13's easily with some tuning and practice. For comparison my Grand Am weighs about the same, stock full interior. I had a 400 with mild cam, headers, through the dual exhaust, a 4 speed, 3.42 gears, open rear (Non-posi) and street tires- I ran a best of 13.21 @ 105 mph. My 60 ft was usually 2.0 range, never better than 2.0. My 1/8th mile was usually 82 mph +- 1mph. When I had an automatic in it I ran best of 13.7.

From your time slip it seems like the launch is good but lacking top end power, probably 4bbl not opening or something. Your not over revving right? Some people hold their rpms way too long before shifting and it kills their times.
 
I used to have the same problem with my Q-jet... the secondaries would jam and not open. I used a rubber band to hold the lock off the secondaries.
I think you can remove the lock all together.

But I think gto78 is right... there is a lock on the choke that locks the secondaries.
 
ok, I'll look into that lock thing. It's like they are opening, just not all the way or something.

I made enough passes that I kind of got a feel for how to do it. The best passes I had were at the end of the night, so by then I had some practice in. I was revving the car on the footbrake a little at the tree. I don't have a good tach, but I wasn't revving it much, probably like 1,000 to 1,300 (as much as I could without the tires braking free). I was basically driving the car by ear. Earlier in the day I messed around with shifting late and early and could see the effects in my run times. The two good runs I had, I shifted the best I could without a tach

I think my issues are definately with the carb. Like I said, there were runs where the carb would fall on it's face on the top end. I eliminated most of that happening by letting the car cool down in between runs, but there's still something not right. Maybe fuel pressure or something like that too?

I'll keep you guys posted, let me know ur thoughts too, dogshit
 
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