What liberties do I have with the E-Rod engine?

[Kwik_Cutty88]

WOW! Clone TIE pilot you must be real fun at parties!'.... instead of trying to help fellow enthusiasts help build a build a badass ride you rain on their parade!! i know what we are doing are not up to your technical standards, BUT if the local government isn't nit picking like you then why worry?? There is bigger issues then joe blow AKA me or a fellow enthusiast build a crusty G body... the government isn't playing by the rules as well!... not trying to be rude but you seem to be by the rules.... me and you have had our differences in the past and while i agree with some of your logic if we stick with the old restraints our cars will never pass any standards! Welcome the Erod package and if we find a way to mod it and be legal then just make it work......

I don't think Clone TIE Pilot is trying to be rude or trying to rain on the OP's parade. The OP just asked what he could legally do to increase the performance of his erod package. I don't think any lines were crossed here, lets keep it civil and help the OP with his questions. Good work so far guys! 🙂

 

[85GPLef41]

OK my bad! but mister "follow the rules' is quick to shut everyone down and states it a felony to modify or ls swap a gbody is always a Debbie Downer! i was just stating that you can basically mod the erod kit as if you would modify a newer camaro.... tell me any "car guy" that hasn't tried make their car faster then his buddy or competitor? wasn't Nascar founded on that? how bout every drag racer alive? We all want the fastest ride right? sometimes rules are meant to be broken... besides crusty g bodies are my passion! so I'll apologize if needed but most likely wont even if i don't make friends!

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

85gplef41, the whole point of buying a erod is to keep a car emission legal which is why one pays a premium price for it instead of purchasing a much cheaper but illegal to install junkyard LS or a plain new ls motor. Another concern is tinkering with the engine internals would probably void the factory warranty which is part of the premium price. The erod package is a drop in and forget setup, it isn't intended for traditional hotrod tinkering. If you don't like it, don't buy one and stfu.

As for bigger fish, governments have always preferred small fish, softer, weaker, and easier targets. Laws are like webs, they only catch little things, Chinese proverb.

Nascar and hotroding has a dubious past starting from illegal bootlegging and rum running. Many early Nascar drivers were criminals running moonshine to avoid taxes as their main source of income, not something decent people would look up to. Hotrodding has a long history of dishonestly, and shady practices such as street racing that has killed innocent bystanders. Frankly if you don't like emission laws, then start a movement to repeal such laws. Attacking and insulting me and playing internet tough guy does nothing to repeal the laws you despise so much, they merely make you look petty and butthurt. A real chatty Cathy.

Erods are not normal production engines like in new camaros, two very different certified packages. Even with new camaros, it is still illegal to reflash the ecm as the government considers it tampering. Newer stuff has more restrictions, every new model year they tighten restrictions more and more. Lastly the op lives in Cali where emissions enforcement is much more strict than what you are used to in Co. The level of enforcement of the laws varies from state to state, with southeast states being the most lax.

As is, a stock ls3 makes 30 more hp than a mint g body was designed to handle and it would likely cause a major failure in a crusty g body. The op should be concerned that his frame and body are up to snuff and that he doesn't have a unsafe car. Being a Cail car it should be in decent shape unlike the Co rustbelt. Still he probably will need new body bushings, and frame and body braces to withstand that 430 hp safely. If you want to risk your own car, money, neck, and skate out on the thin ice of legality, fine, but telling others they should skate on thin ice too because you like it is wrong and negligent of you and makes the whole lobby look bad.

Reality is often not present, and I rather be a so called Debbie downer than a Ostrich with my head stuck in the sand. Laws and regulations governing automobile setups is a Elephant in the room discussion that is too taboo for some gearheads and gets their panties tied in a knot. IMO, I think it is silly to treat the subject as some awlful taboo.

 

[Opie Knievel]

I'm gonna step in right here and call this personal argument going on here a draw and ask that you both stop bickering. Let's keep this on topic please. The OP asked for advice for first timers of LS swaps and how could he legally get more power out of an E-Rod. If you have a personal dispute with someone, take it elsewhere. The Forum isn't the place for it. It distracts from the focus of the thread and serves no purpose. Let's all conduct ourselves like adults, shall we?

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

I agree, it seems talking about emission and DOT laws is unfairly treated as a taboo subject. Every topic I have seen about auto legality issues always turn ugly.

 

[565bbchevy]

Knowing what people that live in California have to deal with a far as emissions I think I would be pretty happy driving a Gbody with 430 horsepower that is 100% legal and knowing you are not going to get hassled once it is certified.
I actually considered the E-rod for my Regal project but it is too costly for the budget build I am attempting to do.

 

[GP403]

OK, gonna step in here. Topics about automotive laws and stuff inevitably goes south because for some stupid reason it devolves into a political pissing match, OR what we see going on here. I'll admit to not even knowing what the hell an "e-rod" is until this thread.

Yes, we've got some new moderators eager to flex those new mod powers and I think in this case they're trying, and they got it right.

At least nobody's claimed its an illuminati lizard people conspiracy this time. I guess the whole point of an "e-rod" (still clueless here) is to stay legal and eco friendly, but yeah, if you wanted to you can probably take that further than you're legally supposed to. What that is I dunno, which I think was OP's question.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. Just be civil from here on out.

 

[Texas82GP]

OK, gonna step in here. Topics about automotive laws and stuff inevitably goes south because for some stupid reason it devolves into a political pissing match, OR what we see going on here. I'll admit to not even knowing what the hell an "e-rod" is until this thread.

Yes, we've got some new moderators eager to flex those new mod powers and I think in this case they're trying, and they got it right.

At least nobody's claimed its an illuminati lizard people conspiracy this time. I guess the whole point of an "e-rod" (still clueless here) is to stay legal and eco friendly, but yeah, if you wanted to you can probably take that further than you're legally supposed to. What that is I dunno, which I think was OP's question.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread. Just be civil from here on out.

"illuminati lizard people conspiracy" LOL!

 

[CaliWagon83]

"illuminati lizard people conspiracy" LOL!