wheel cylinders stock vs s-10 manual

[83cutlassowner]

what is this mod going to do for the front to rear braking ratio. if i remember correctly the fronts do 75% the rears do 25%. i guess what i'm getting at is with the added rear braking isnt that going to negatively affect the control of the car under hard braking conditions? the whole reason the braking is setup with that bias is to keep the car strait and controllable. if the rear braking is increase to much the whole car slides. think of a car in ice, you pull the e-brake and the rear is all over the road eventually the rear end wants to pass the front end. i realize this isnt a huge upgrade like doing a giant disc conversion on the rear and keeping the stock fronts but is this something that could cause issues in negative condtions like wet roads, snow and ice. not trying to step on anyones toes but i'm just asking what hasnt been asked yet

 

[pontiacgp]

I am also thinking of doing this uprgrade. But after reading this i am torn anyone else like to chime in that has done this. 😀

I was at the shop tonite where they specialize in Grand Nationals and do quite a bit of work on other G bodies. They have been doing the upgrade on the rear brakes with the s 10 cylinder for 20 years so I think that proves that the upgrade does in fact improve the rear braking...


and for the other post questioning the safety of increasing the rear brakes it is safer to increase the rear brakes as they slow the care down and if adjusted properly your car will stay straight even under extreme conditions. To prove that it is safer a conversion to rear disk brakes even improve the rear braking more then the s 10 cylinder. I'm not sure what car your referring to when you "pull" the e brake since G bodies have a pedal you push down. E brakes will almost never have an even force on each side so of course your going to go sideways but then that's what makes winter fun to drive in....

 

[83cutlassowner]

i was just saying if the rear end is getting to much braking effect its going to make the whole car want to slide with less control as opposed to just the fronts locking up (for the most part). the e-brake thing i was talking about was just to try to describe what would happen if the rear had to much braking effect. but yeah its probably not going to effect the car to much more then stock

 

[pontiacgp]

i was just saying if the rear end is getting to much braking effect its going to make the whole car want to slide with less control as opposed to just the fronts locking up (for the most part). the e-brake thing i was talking about was just to try to describe what would happen if the rear had to much braking effect. but yeah its probably not going to effect the car to much more then stock

I don't understand how increasing the braking capabilities of the rear brakes or locking up the rear brakes is going to make the car slide sideways. Try driving a car with just front brakes and see how hard it is to control in a panic stop situation. The rear brakes slow the car down and won't pitch the car sideways. Locking up the fronts gives you no control over where the car is headed.

 

[monte olrac]

i was just saying if the rear end is getting to much braking effect its going to make the whole car want to slide with less control as opposed to just the fronts locking up (for the most part). the e-brake thing i was talking about was just to try to describe what would happen if the rear had to much braking effect. but yeah its probably not going to effect the car to much more then stock

I don't understand how increasing the braking capabilities of the rear brakes or locking up the rear brakes is going to make the car slide sideways. Try driving a car with just front brakes and see how hard it is to control in a panic stop situation. The rear brakes slow the car down and won't pitch the car sideways. Locking up the fronts gives you no control over where the car is headed.

What he is refering to is wash out, but that happens only if your braking bias is like 50/50 or some where close.

 

[83cutlassowner]

i was just saying if the rear end is getting to much braking effect its going to make the whole car want to slide with less control as opposed to just the fronts locking up (for the most part). the e-brake thing i was talking about was just to try to describe what would happen if the rear had to much braking effect. but yeah its probably not going to effect the car to much more then stock

I don't understand how increasing the braking capabilities of the rear brakes or locking up the rear brakes is going to make the car slide sideways. Try driving a car with just front brakes and see how hard it is to control in a panic stop situation. The rear brakes slow the car down and won't pitch the car sideways. Locking up the fronts gives you no control over where the car is headed.

What he is refering to is wash out, but that happens only if your braking bias is like 50/50 or some where close.

yeah thats what i was talking about but i pretty well answered my own question after i typed it so never mind

 

[pontiacgp]

unless you change the master, install a manual proportioning valve and find a way to install the same size and type of front brake in the rear it's impossible top achieve a 50/50 brake bias in a G body...