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oldsmobile joe

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I wouldn't get upset with the "panel van" word. Most likely a type o , new worker or, like facebook marketplace, the software programmers are to stupid and lazy to know the difference. I had a 85 442 that was titled as a 4door. I also have a gmc caballero that was mislabeled as a car. When i transferred the titles into my name i spent extra time with the DMV people to correct these issues.
As far as the salvage designation, well thats another issue. This was state specific and not all states followed the same rules or the same time frames. It was to help combat "totaled" vehicles due to floods or wrecked vehicles that were shabbily welded back together. I don't know if you can find out the details but your current state should have a way to inspect it and remove the "salvage" designation.
 

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When I brought the 69 H/O home, I obviously had to get a new title. Oops. Discrepancy in the VIN. WTF? There was an H instead of an M for place of manufacture. I totally glazed over that. I offered to go back home and drive the car to the DMV so they could see the VIN for themselves it was just a typo. That would be acceptable, they said, because what are the odds the rest of the numbers are exactly the same? If you look at the VIN attached to the car real quick, you could see that the M could be mistaken for an "H". I also showed the lady there were NO manufacturing plants in 1969 that had an H for the VIN. Yes, must be a typo. Whew! She also noted that it was a Hurst Olds from the emblems. Well, yes it is. The old title said Make/Model was Olds 2 dr, which is what I put on the title application because I didn't want to make waves with Olds 442 as the birthright make/model. When she printed out the new title, the Make was "Olds", and the Model was "Hurst". SMDH. I thought about saying something about that, but figured I got lucky enough convincing her that the H was just a typo and I wasn't trying to pull a fast one. But you can't outguess what DMV will do, apparently. Figured I would take my win and go away. I went to a gas station later and someone asked me there what year GTO it was. Probably the only car in South Carolina that is titled as a Olds Hurst.

I'd have to look up the laws for salvage titles again to be sure, but I believe in SC, once you stick a car with a salvage title, you CANNOT register the car for the road. It's considered a lost cause if more than 75% of the car is damaged. Say you restored the car to a 990 point show car, now you can take a "rebuilt" inspection form and new title application into DMV and get it retitled as a rebuilt title. But you need to also provide receipts for the labor/parts you use to ensure it wasn't rebuilt with stolen parts. The rebuilt title stays with the car the rest of it's natural life for historical purposes. The only way I'd ever do that is if there were a strong sentimental value to the car or if the car was super-rare and desirable to make it worth it. Otherwise, hello crusher.

It used to be easy to wash titles, but not so much anymore. Not saying it can't be done and I've never done it, it's just not a wild west like it used to be. States actually didn't communicate with each other as easy as they do today.
 
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partially true. my friend has 2 195x Apache trucks, one is in great shape with no VIN at all. nowhere. not even on the frame. and no title. the other is ratty except for a good frame and he has a title. so you can guess what he is going to do to get it properly titled and registered...
It seems like an apple to oranges comparison.

2x 195x Apache trucks. Both in ones possession. Build one good truck from the two especially if one is too far gone since they both can't be on the road. They are basically the same thing w/all parts interchangeable.

A panel van to an El Camino? Not quite the same thing. An El Camino to an El Camino from the same era? As long as you possess the titles to both, what difference would it make? Not an El Camino & station wagon even though the frames are similar. Not an El Camino & 2 or 4 door either....
 

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It seems like an apple to oranges comparison.

2x 195x Apache trucks. Both in ones possession. Build one good truck from the two especially if one is too far gone since they both can't be on the road. They are basically the same thing w/all parts interchangeable.

A panel van to an El Camino? Not quite the same thing. An El Camino to an El Camino from the same era? As long as you possess the titles to both, what difference would it make? Not an El Camino & station wagon even though the frames are similar. Not an El Camino & 2 or 4 door either....
Here's the thing, and it goes to what 69hurstolds said...

Dmv people cam be pretty dumb when it comes to cars, and always were.

My 1987 suburban was, and is, titled since NEW as a station wagon for body type. But the vin matches, so, I don't care what 'body type' the commonwealth thought it ought to be in 87.

So consider the paper pushing old lady at the dmv. WTF is an el camino anyways?.?.? It's not really a pickup. But it's not really a car either. Certainly not an suv, but it is a utility vehicle of some type. So they likely picked other.

And, some states, when you first register from out of state within a certain age they need to have someone look at a vehicle in person to verify vin and/or odometer.

Now, tell me this. If an elcamino, a bench/2 seater with only front row seats, rolls up with a cap on the back and an open cargo floor, what does it *look* most like? And before you get up in arms about 'removble top' remember in the same era (and earlier) the k5 blazer... the bronco... the brat... all removable fiberglass rear toppers.

So again, in person verifier wouldn't necessarily know that lid was aftermarket. So.

Worry about the vin. It's what the insurance sees and quotes/pays on. Don't worry about "panel" unless thr vin don't match an elcamino vin.

As far as the salvage designator... a total loss in 2004 was a 3" dent on a fender. A total loss in 1990 was major damage. Age matters. It's not necessarily nefarious. I didn't see that info listed anywhere.

Call your insurance. Get in writing via email what their answer is how they will cover and handle a loss. Don't like the answer, then check with a classic insurance, or, choose declared/agreed value depending on whether you want your policy amount to depreciate on payout or not as one usually costs more than the other, but not always. Then shop for insurance that meets your needs

These cars are so old, state records didn't keep up when new.

One of my 83 regals is still on new title. It's been total loss twice. And actually, working on that regal we found where the driver door was hit and fixed. Turns out, Houser Buick had some damage on their lot when a driver jumped the curb and hit their inventory. When we bought the car they didn't want to sell this only lease it. But, money talked, and we were going to walk somewhere else unless we got that car as ordering would take too long. So they sold it. Turns out, seems like they didn't want to sell because they weren't disclosing that damage. We found it nearly 20 years later. You're getting nowhere at that point, and, by then the buick franchise had relocated and it was Mitsubishi anyways.

Suburban had major damage twice including 2 frame pulls. Actually that truck also had a manufacturing defect.... after owning a bit the steering shaft came apart while driving. Turns out on the line they didnt put all the fasteners in they shouldve, or, at least couldnt have more than finger tightened as there were no markings where they ought to have been. That isnt noted anywhere either. Carfax is clean on both. The accidents happened too long ago and the reports weren't digitized.

Point is, you never know. Maybe you find/see old body work, but unless you strip it down you won't find everything. Unless you own or saw in family/friend since New that is. Otherwise, you NEVER know on an old car, and it's why most classic/collector programs don't care. Look at all the $300,000 hemis coming out of salvage yards....
 
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When I brought the 69 H/O home, I obviously had to get a new title. Oops. Discrepancy in the VIN. WTF? There was an H instead of an M for place of manufacture. I totally glazed over that. I offered to go back home and drive the car to the DMV so they could see the VIN for themselves it was just a typo. That would be acceptable, they said, because what are the odds the rest of the numbers are exactly the same? If you look at the VIN attached to the car real quick, you could see that the M could be mistaken for an "H". I also showed the lady there were NO manufacturing plants in 1969 that had an H for the VIN. Yes, must be a typo. Whew! She also noted that it was a Hurst Olds from the emblems. Well, yes it is. The old title said Make/Model was Olds 2 dr, which is what I put on the title application because I didn't want to make waves with Olds 442 as the birthright make/model. When she printed out the new title, the Make was "Olds", and the Model was "Hurst". SMDH. I thought about saying something about that, but figured I got lucky enough convincing her that the H was just a typo and I wasn't trying to pull a fast one. But you can't outguess what DMV will do, apparently. Figured I would take my win and go away. I went to a gas station later and someone asked me there what year GTO it was. Probably the only car in South Carolina that is titled as a Olds Hurst.

I'd have to look up the laws for salvage titles again to be sure, but I believe in SC, once you stick a car with a salvage title, you CANNOT register the car for the road. It's considered a lost cause if more than 75% of the car is damaged. Say you restored the car to a 990 point show car, now you can take a "rebuilt" inspection form and new title application into DMV and get it retitled as a rebuilt title. But you need to also provide receipts for the labor/parts you use to ensure it wasn't rebuilt with stolen parts. The rebuilt title stays with the car the rest of it's natural life for historical purposes. The only way I'd ever do that is if there were a strong sentimental value to the car or if the car was super-rare and desirable to make it worth it. Otherwise, hello crusher.

It used to be easy to wash titles, but not so much anymore. Not saying it can't be done and I've never done it, it's just not a wild west like it used to be. States actually didn't communicate with each other as easy as they do today.

Ahh yes, rebuilt title not clean title. That does ring a bell. I bought a car from the junkyard in SD and registered it on the road with a salvage title. That must be state specific. The car blew the motor and I had a complete powertrain ready to swap in so made it whole again.
 

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My 1987 suburban was, and is, titled since NEW as a station wagon for body type. But the vin matches, so, I don't care what 'body type' the commonwealth thought it ought to be in 87.
In Pa that will be a station wagon too. Any "people hauler" being car or truck based will be titled as a station wagon. Now if the same type vehicle lacks the rear windows & rear seating (except early front seat only Bronco/Blazer/Scout since they do have rear windows) are trucks. Now A conversion van could be either depending on the van body used.
 

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It used to be easy to wash titles, but not so much anymore. Not saying it can't be done and I've never done it, it's just not a wild west like it used to be. States actually didn't communicate with each other as easy as they do today.

I admit to having done this for my 87'LS (is the statute of limitations up? 🙂 ), it had a salvage title in NM from an accident, I knew this as the owner bought it from auction after being hit in the front. He replaced the front clip and his elderly mom drove it, no frame or mechanical damage besides the radiator. I even saw the damaged original parts when picking up the car, he rebuilt/parted out cars with a couple large buildings. Got the salvage NM title and when registering it in WI I just took a black marker and crossed off the salvage line, also underlined a couple other spots with the black marker so it wasn't so obvious using his suggestion. There wasn't a stamp or anything that he said usually was used that would of been hard or impossible to hide. Guy at the DMV counter didn't ask and just processed it, then a few weeks later the clean WI title came in the mail. I knew the car wasn't hot or anything so my conscious was clean, I looked at it as helping save a nice clean car. The other option was to "sell" it to a company in Vermont, I think, then "buy" it back, a service I think that still exists due to the state laws there. So if you run the VIN in a Carfax/Auto Check the salvage title shows up but disappears once it was registered in WI. Also never had plans to sell the car and still don't, so it's not like trying to trick an unsuspecting person, just tricking "the man" in order to save a car 😁 . I'm sure there is a process to legally get the car titled but went the easy route. This was in 2002 and I was 21, I'm not sure it would be as easy to do now.
 

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In Pa that will be a station wagon too. Any "people hauler" being car or truck based will be titled as a station wagon. Now if the same type vehicle lacks the rear windows & rear seating (except early front seat only Bronco/Blazer/Scout since they do have rear windows) are trucks. Now A conversion van could be either depending on the van body used.
I always thought it was strange... they titled the s10 blazers are 'suv' so they had the class designation... and, of course, different state but GA labeled the s10 blazers and yukon xl as 'suv' so... who knows. Strange internal rules I guess.
 

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My 86 elcamino started out life in ohio, then it went to michigan and sometime there it got a salvage title, came back to ohio and is clean, and has been since at least 2001 since I got it, although I have never put full coverage on it. I have the info somewhere on the exact dates, but i THINK it was only in michigan because of the accident so it could come back to ohio and get a clean title.
 

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In California an El Camino is a "light duty truck," just like say a C2500. Costs more to register than a "passenger car," but unlike one of those, you can legally swap a late model Big Block into it, because the state considers any truck under 10,000 lb "light duty."
 
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