10SI to 12SI Alternator

It was supposedly an option only the 88 Cutlass. My 88 had an 83 307 with a 10SI alternator. Absolutely correct on the improved cooling to go with the increased amperage on the 12SI. It may be just an aftermarket add on in the parts computer or maybe it was added late in the model year. The parts computer at Canadian Tire only showed it as an option for the 88 model. Canadian models were usually unique but were just American Cutlass with Metric first gauges for 88. Either way the Mexican Remy 105A CS130 reman only lasted about 1 year and they could find a replacement and got 94A 12SI Wilson reman was a complete pile that acted more like a 40 amp or a 1 wire alternator.
 
AFAIK, the CS130 never was available on the G-body Cutlass. Not even as an option. Every 88 Cutlass RWD came with a 307 V8 and used the fixed bracketry that was designed for the 12SI. I've looked through all my GM literature covering 1988 and no G-body ever mentioned the availability of a CS130 alternator.

My suspicion is that the Canadian Tire computer garbled up and merged the 1988 FWD Cutlass in with the G-body offerings as the FWD Cutlass did come with CS130 alternators. If I were a bettin' man, that's where I'd put my money.

Again, if your wiring system is in good shape, your battery is in good condition, and the alternator is working properly, I see no reason the factory alternator won't keep your stock system happy. Look at it this way, if you are only going to draw 70A max on your system, a 78A will keep up with it. Having a 160A alternator will put out that same 70A, but that's it. If the alternator keeps up with demand, you really don't need any further output.

Stock pulleys puts you around a 2.8 ratio. Generally, Delco alternators were designed for 18,000 rpm (generator speed). That means at 6400+ crankshaft rpm, you run the risk of killing it. How often do you run your street car in that range?

Again, if you're above 13.5 V at idle, you're good. If your system is in crappy shape, you may not get there. For a stock system, that's spending a good chunk of change for minimal gains. But hey, it's your money. I can tell you one thing, on my G-bodies I've never ran anything other than the stock alternators on the stock systems, and I've only had one (rotor ground) go bad on me. I've never needed to "upgrade". If I was going to put a lot of power drainers in the system, I'd run bigger wires, and likely upgrade the entire charging system as well. Probably do a CS144 at that point.

Smaller pulley may do what you want it to do. Stock is around 2.62", the one or two Summit sells is like 2.342" on the alternator. SBC typically use 6.75 or 7" crank pulleys. So...doing the math....puts you around 2.6 multiple for alternator RPM with the stock pulley, but just about 2.9 on using the smaller pulley. So if you're 800 rpm at the crank at idle, You're turning a hair over 2,000 at the alternator anyway. More than enough to start sending some juice through the system. At 2.9 factor, you'd be turning roughly 2,320 rpm. About 12% faster at the alternator. And you STILL likely wouldn't break it as you'd have to turn 6,200 rpm to overspin the alternator.

The chart below says your 63A alternator should pump out about 23A at 1600 alternator rpm. Note the 72A doesn't even start yet. But at 800 crank rpm idle, with a smaller pulley, you'd be @2,320 alternator rpm, which should net you closer to 30A from the chart.

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And the 12SI at that same 2,320 alternator rpm gets you almost to 50A. Over 10A better than the stock pulley at 800 crank rpm idle.

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Here's a smaller pulley. Fits on 10SI or 12SI. If you're wanting to put a little umph to get some more juice at idle, do this one. Nobody will be the wiser. $16 and an impact gun and 15/16" impact socket. When going back on, torque the nut to 40-60 lbs-ft.

 
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Its not like i was expecting, much less needing FULL amperage output at idle because i know it doesnt work that way, i just thought the alternator would be active after starting so it starts charging the battery back up right away.

The 10SI/63A im currently using is more than suffiencent for what next to nothing im running in my malibu, basically lights and AC, no stereo or other high load devices installed, but for future upgrades when the time comes, i'll be switching over to the 12SI/94A for added cushioning.
 
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I had no idea there were this many variables in an alternator. seeing all the charts 69hurstolds posted, is there some good literature that can explain the differences between 10Si , 12Si, CS <series>, and why? all I know about 'lectricity is don't stick your finger (or anything else) in the socket!
 
I had no idea there were this many variables in an alternator. seeing all the charts 69hurstolds posted, is there some good literature that can explain the differences between 10Si , 12Si, CS <series>, and why? all I know about 'lectricity is don't stick your finger (or anything else) in the socket!
This is a website I used when researching how to rebuild mine, but it is about 10SI and 12SI only. Pretty good info.


CS130 swap info, plust some side by side pics of a 12SI and CS130.


An "opinion" page on how one should go about selecting an alternator upgrade.


There's a million more out there. Like anything else, got to decide for yourself who's BS'n and who seems legit with the information.
 
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With some of these internal upgrade kits, rebuilding the alternator yourself for greater output while keeping the original acdelco case instead of these "made in china" delinquints.... its cheaper to buy the whole unit.
 

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