A parent thanked me on Tuesday

Took my a bit to apply several coats of flame retardant and find an adequate safety cage, so, I'll become the target here...

Politically correct era, me too movement, whatever, ok.

Did the kid do wrong? Sure. Suspension? I don't know, I guess go with school conduct code and handbook they would've signed at the beginning of the year. Suspension length? Seems long, I bet the kid enjoys the week at home playing video games while mom and dad are at work. I'd rather a 2 day in school deal where they make him write a paper, something that be more punishment than vacation, but what ever there too.

Now, calling the cops and investigating it as a sex crime? That's kind of a WTF moment to me, I mean, does it really warrant charging a kid who made a stupid mistake, making him register for likes a sexual offender, and going through all the rest for of stupid juvenile exercise of poor judgment? Maybe some of you think so. Seems like time for common sense though in all honesty, and, I hope that principal is on the receiving end of an equal measure of ridiculous "Politically correct" motivated "social justice" exaggerated life destroying excess such as he/she doled out. You'd hope the girl or parents would step in and refuse to press charges, but, in the world we live in today, common sense is gone.

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Mom of the male student that did this,she was glad I wrote him up for it.He was talked to about it,said he could of been in more trouble called sexual assault charges.Principal did have the cops called too,sexual assault charges being investigated now
Yeesh. Maybe the principal doesn't have a choice. Only y'all involved know exactly what happened. Without opening a big can of worms discussion on this tangent, at first blush it sounds like the kid actually may have done it because he maybe liked her a little and was prankish in trying to show his affection. I don't know of course, as he could just be a Class A A-hole and deserve a kick in the head, but sometimes boys pick on girls because they're infatuated with a certain girl, and there was no ill intent perhaps. Most boys are clumsy and Neanderthal in the ways of flirting with a girl. And she obviously didn't like it, or perceived it as a mean gesture regardless of intent. And her perception is the important part.

Today's world is guilty first, prove your innocence later, however. So he's going to likely be scarred out of this by the time the cops get done with him regardless of outcome. Not defending it because he technically assaulted her, just postulating another potential perspective as to why.

But if he did it because he was simply being a dlck and being mean to her and trying to hurt her, then fry him. My mama told me not to be mean to girls. Even if they were mean to me. I'd have gently poked at her with a pencil eraser end if I was him and wanted to flirt with her. And then I'd end up in jail for assault with a blunt instrument.

Boy, that would suck to have to go through school nowadays. I'd likely be in prison for some of the then-considered innocuous things I'd say or do to get a girl's attention at that age.
 
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Yank the offender out of whatever home life he may have, put him in a group home where he will be sodomized and institutionalized, and label him a sex offender for life. Perfect!
If necessary, yes. Let's not forget the girl's trauma in all this. The staff did what they saw was the right thing to do and it seems both parents, while not pleased it happened, are ok with how it's been handled. This is very important aspect as well. No room to be ham-handed in any of these sorts of issues. A different world we live in now.
 
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If he'd have done it in the real world, he'd have gone to court for it, why should school be any different? If it was your daughter would you not be livid? Anymore most schools have a school resource officer in the school at all times, so when there is a verified incident like this one, file a report with the local police and have them set a date at the magistrate for the offender.

Juvenile records are expunged so it's not like it sticks with him for life if it's a dumb mistake but it needs to be documented with the courts in case it happens again and it turns out that it wasn't just a dumb mistake. A slap on the wrist like writing a paper or being sent to the principal's office doesn't teach anyone anything. Consequences need to be real. When the kid has to pay a fine or do 30 hours of community service for it, I think they'll be a lot less likely to do the same thing again than if they just half assed a paper about why they were sorry.

I graduated from high school not that long ago, and I still have one sibling who is a junior, and I have a sister who is a high school English teacher. I'm not an expert but I'd say I have some relevant experience. With suicides among student aged kids skyrocketing, every incident of harassment or bullying needs to be taken seriously.

School is a lot different than it was 20, 15, even 10 years ago.
 
how old are these kids? If it was known thart he did why even ask cause evryone knows he will probably lie and your setting him up so you can punish him more, It would have been better to confront him with it and make hin appoligise in front of the class. Now the system turns into a bully and kicks him out for 5 days. I only see that adding to a problem that did not exist and it's not going to cure anything. Leave kids alone and they will sort things out on their own, turn them into abusers and victims watch how that turns out
 
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If necessary, yes. Let's not forget the girl's trauma in all this. The staff did what they saw was the right thing to do and it seems both parents, while not pleased it happened, are ok with how it's been handled. This is very important aspect as well. No room to be ham-handed in any of these sorts of issues. A different world we live in now.
I'm not sure...

OP first stated:
Mom of the male student that did this,she was glad I wrote him up for it.He was talked to about it,said he could of been in more trouble called sexual assault charges.

That implies, to me, that the parent of the offender thinks it is handled at a school level and NOT knowing or endorsing of the outcome of police charges being pursued, which is stated here:

Principal did have the cops called too,sexual assault charges being investigated now

Sounds to me like parent is glad student was corrected, with the understanding that the corrections were school discipline, NOT the later referral of charges from the principal.

If he'd have done it in the real world, he'd have gone to court for it, why should school be any different? If it was your daughter would you not be livid? Anymore most schools have a school resource officer in the school at all times, so when there is a verified incident like this one, file a report with the local police and have them set a date at the magistrate for the offender.

Juvenile records are expunged so it's not like it sticks with him for life if it's a dumb mistake but it needs to be documented with the courts in case it happens again and it turns out that it wasn't just a dumb mistake. A slap on the wrist like writing a paper or being sent to the principal's office doesn't teach anyone anything. Consequences need to be real. When the kid has to pay a fine or do 30 hours of community service for it, I think they'll be a lot less likely to do the same thing again than if they just half assed a paper about why they were sorry.

I graduated from high school not that long ago, and I still have one sibling who is a junior, and I have a sister who is a high school English teacher. I'm not an expert but I'd say I have some relevant experience. With suicides among student aged kids skyrocketing, every incident of harassment or bullying needs to be taken seriously.

School is a lot different than it was 20, 15, even 10 years ago.
Well, lets see here...

1) Talk about story of crying wolf here... in the real world, snapping an article of clothing should, at best, be considered an incident of battery, which again, I think would also be a mockery of the justice system. When you levy ham handed heavy penalties for ridiculously minor infractions, you actually dilute the effect for major transgressions and actually harm the deterrence aspect for more serious issues - not to mention take away resources that are scarce in dealing with serious problems.

"Oh, we're sorry the suspect arrested on a homicide count locked in jail has to wait 3 years for his bail hearing, we just HAD to tie up the court room with 2500 cases of hearings for bra-snappers..."

"Oh, we're sorry we can't process and follow up RAPE KITS, but we need to investigate the BRA SNAPPER."

2) if it was my daughter, no, I would NOT be livid. A day or two of in school suspension and make them do an assignment they will hate to drive the point home. No need to make an federal case out of it. It was not molestation where they lifted a shirt and fondled her against her will - now THAT is sexual assault.

3) I think you miss the statement they're investigating it as SEXUAL ASSAULT. that isn't go before a magistrate, do some community service type issue. THAT is "register as offender, can't get certain jobs, can't go certain places FOR LIFE" territory. Also, if the offender rolls become known as a place filled with exceedingly petty offenses, it waters down the seriousness of the purpose for which they were created.

4) sex crimes aren't juvenile-sealed expunged material.

5) sex crimes, as noted, aren't do your community service and get scared by the judge material either. Ok, school resource officer makes you go to court for theft instead of giving back a Walkman and being suspended a day. Got it . That's a lot different than talking about calling for a SEX CRIME investigation that were talking here.

6) one way to read the increase of suicide is to say kids are over protected and under exposed to adversity these days, and when encountering it, cannot handle it due to lack of preparation - whether it's teasing, bullying, life going wrong, or even something as stupid as when a semi local nationally recognized college, Emory University, had protests and students claims they felt "physical pain" when the college Republicans wrote "Trump 2016" in chalk, even though the college democrats wrote "Hillary 2016" all over the place. Excessive insulation causes more problems than it protects from, kind of like putting kits in a literal plastic bubble to protect from bacteria and viruses means certain death when you let them out. They need innoculation.

7) for what it's worth, I'm not an expert but I have some experience - I work in the legal system, wife teaches, mom teaches, father in law teaches, 3 uncles teach, 2 cousins teach, nor to mention the various friends and family friends who are educators. So yeah, we can all claim those connections.

Still. Became utterly ridiculous the minute THAT became worthy of investigation, if not charging, of a sex crime. :popcorn:
 
I think you miss the statement they're investigating it as SEXUAL ASSAULT.

A simple "agree to disagree" would have sufficed, but long, condescending responses work too.

I wasn't referring to how they are investigating this specific instance, I'm talking about what should be done when bullying and harassment happens in a school setting.

7) for what it's worth, I'm not an expert but I have some experience - I work in the legal system, wife teaches, mom teaches, father in law teaches, 3 uncles teach, 2 cousins teach, nor to mention the various friends and family friends who are educators. So yeah, we can all claim those connections.

Well then obviously you are much more qualified to speak on the subject than I am, so f#ck all what a simpleton like me thinks.
 
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All in the risks when you don't keep your hands to yourself nowadays. Accountability is coming back. You can argue the pendulum swings too far before it comes to the sweet spot, but it is what it is. If the school rules dictate a sexual misconduct investigation is required, so be it. The principal may not have any choice regardless if the teacher simply reports an action and takes any actions deemed necessary within her wheelhouse. Or if the principal does have a choice, maybe there is more to the story than what we know. Again, we can only speculate on anything outside the reported information and reasons behind the actions.

You could be a sex offender if your pants fall down because you forgot to wear a belt that day. Who knows? I don't see much of a need to litigate this in the thread. No matter what, none of us are there, nobody was there for the entire story here except montecarlolady so whatever we speculate, it is just that. The fact that both parents WERE reportedly pleased with the fact that the school didn't simply sweep it under the rug. You don't have to be sure of that, because I'm not sure of it either. If there's correction needed, correct it. No doubt they may or may not be pleased with any outcome of an investigation, but that's not for us to judge. We're only coming in at the end so none of us know jack schitt. We can only guess and opine. If you think it's anything else, you'd just be BS'ing.
 
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