Are G-Bodies the "New" Classics?

[fleming442]

. I'm talking about imports. Subarus, Toyotas, Nissans, Mitsubishis. Sporty cars with manual transmissions, better power-to-weight ratios, aerodynamics, turbos, etc. Those will probably go up in price sooner and higher than Gs. They're the "cheap muscle cars" of my generation without actually being muscle cars. I hate to think of what a Nissan S13 will cost one day, once they've all been LS swapped and drifted to death.

That's if there's anything left of them. Thinner, soda can metal deteriorates even faster than that of our beloved GM stepchildren.

 

[motorheadmike]

Nope. They maybe be historic/old but they are not classics. Other than the Turbo Buicks these were all sticker packages.

But, they are capable and fun. Nicely styled and have enough personality between models to suit individual tastes.

Besides... I already have a bellybutton.

 

[TURNA]

Yea because Mecum and Jackson are real stand up legit guys.

All they want is there pockets to get even fatter.

What are they going to say the newer cars ain't worth sh*t???

Jackson single handedly ruined this hobby.

Then all these stupid discovery/history channels chimmed in and made it even worse.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

It's also illegal to speed, but everybody does it... unless you are that one guy. Spending $5,000 on "CARB approved" modifications to only run high 13's on a good day is not anyone's idea of idea of a good idea.

All of Mark's "problems" with the G-body suspension can be easily fixed and he sells the parts to do it. He has never said "it sucks, don't bother". Just adding $200 worth of Tall ball joints fixes the camber curve Mark complains about. He sells these ball joints, too. There is no fixing leaf springs for real world driving.

A stock T-type on 215/65 Eagle GT's could out accelerate, out handle and out brake a stock '69/70 BOSS 302 or AAR/TA. Look up the old road tests, they are online somewhere. MCSS's used the same tires/brakes, so I'm sure they too could "out handle" these muscle cars that were "legendary" for their "handling"... and that is in 1980's stock form. Higher skidpad numbers, faster slalom numbers, shorter braking numbers on tires we all remember as "crappy".

To start off, everybody does it is a appeal to popularity, a logic fallacy. The number of people have no bearing on how correct or incorrect something is. Just today I saw a speeding car was jammed under the trailer rear of a big rig. Both the driver and passenger dead, causing the highway to be completely closed and long traffic jams, do you approve of their speeding because everyone does it?

I am not a track guy and could care less about track numbers as its nothing more than a dick and wallet measuring contest to me. Its not anyones idea of a good time, just yours as the only mind you can read is your own, and I didn't spend anyware near 5k on my emission legal build. I spent more fixing GM shortcuts in my Regal's body than anything else.

I never said the suspension problems can't be solved, but its expensive and labor intensive which is a turnoff considering you can buy newer used cars that handle far better stock. Its not just tall ball joints but also redesigned arms that take advantage of tall ball joints. Plus your stated price quote is missing a zero. Any improvements in making the suspension stiffer simply makes the floppy frame and body flex more, requiring bracing and reinforcing. Tall ball joints and arms are just a drop in the bucket.

G body suspensions are setup for comfort and easy correction for stupid moves by drivers. So if you do something stupid, it easy to correct, but it is also easy to exceed the suspension's capabilitles. The old muscle cars do not correct so easily but are easier to improve upon at a lower costs to better results and more difficult to exceed their capabilitles.

All G body Regals except for GNXs, have the weakest body setup from the factory. Missing body bushings, lacking most of the bracing, poor roof welds, it was a sick joke by GM. Its why many turbo Buicks have distored bodies. Just 110 hp from my old 231 cracked the roof on my Regal. Had to perform a lot of work from replacing body bushings and installing missing ones. Welded in a rear seat brace and better welded the roof seam, which are poorly fitted and welded by the factory. Huge gaps just covered with filler, rookie mistakes by GM. Also added a GP front frame brace.

 

[MrSony]

'57 Chevy's and T-birds and even 90% of cars produced during the muscle car car era, including over 80% of Mustangs made during that time weren't faster than the V-8 G-bodies and handled like pigs on roller skates in comparison, but they are "classics" because people could mod them to make them fast and could show them off at big shows for "pre 1972" cars. Not being able to Legally Mod G-bodies in California and Not being allowed @ goodguys on Saturday are the two big stumbling blocks for the G-bodies to becoming blowout, I got to have that "classics".

If you drive an '65 Mustang or '70 Cuda, then drive an '86 T-type, you won't go back to a "classic" muscle car unless you 1) legally have to or 2) want to still hang out with all your old friends at the "big show".

Goodguys changed the rules. Cars upto 87 are now allowed I think starting next year. i sure know what I'm doing next summer.

 

[MrSony]

To start off, everybody does it is a appeal to popularity, a logic fallacy. The number of people have no bearing on how correct or incorrect something is. Just today I saw a speeding car was jammed under the trailer rear of a big rig. Both the driver and passenger dead, causing the highway to be completely closed and long traffic jams, do you approve of their speeding because everyone does it?

I am not a track guy and could care less about track numbers as its nothing more than a dick and wallet measuring contest to me. Its not anyones idea of a good time, just yours as the only mind you can read is your own, and I didn't spend anyware near 5k on my emission legal build. I spent more fixing GM shortcuts in my Regal's body than anything else.

I never said the suspension problems can't be solved, but its expensive and labor intensive which is a turnoff considering you can buy newer used cars that handle far better stock. Its not just tall ball joints but also redesigned arms that take advantage of tall ball joints. Plus your stated price quote is missing a zero. Any improvements in making the suspension stiffer simply makes the floppy frame and body flex more, requiring bracing and reinforcing. Tall ball joints and arms are just a drop in the bucket.

G body suspensions are setup for comfort and easy correction for stupid moves by drivers. So if you do something stupid, it easy to correct, but it is also easy to exceed the suspension's capabilitles. The old muscle cars do not correct so easily but are easier to improve upon at a lower costs to better results and more difficult to exceed their capabilitles.

All G body Regals except for GNXs, have the weakest body setup from the factory. Missing body bushings, lacking most of the bracing, poor roof welds, it was a sick joke by GM. Its why many turbo Buicks have distored bodies. Just 110 hp from my old 231 cracked the roof on my Regal. Had to perform a lot of work from replacing body bushings and installing missing ones. Welded in a rear seat brace and better welded the roof seam, which are poorly fitted and welded by the factory. Huge gaps just covered with filler, rookie mistakes by GM. Also added a GP front frame brace.

I can garuntee the massive torque from that LD5 didn't crack the roof. If one farted too hard in that car you probably would've blown the roof off.

 

[pagrunt]

Goodguys changed the rules. Cars upto 87 are now allowed I think starting next year. i sure know what I'm doing next summer.

Just think of all those Yugos that can now go.

 

[UNGN]

Just think of all those Yugos that can now go.

All 3 that are still running?

 

[pagrunt]

All 3 that are still running?

I'd include the animal drawn ones too. Can't forget the owners who went green.

 

[UNGN]

Never buy a car from a country where every hates everyone else so much you can't take a nice walk in the forest without tripping over a mass grave.

I'm sure guys on the line were worrying more about their co workers trying to kill them after work than properly bolting on that steering wheel.