The day they force me to have an EV is the day I invent a double ended plug to drain the charge out of their batteries into my own and give them a good return f***ing.
Boosted 4 and 6 vs current gen V8's
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Turbo motors are the future - not EV.
Can they be more efficient? Of course! Why? Heat loss.
Think about your non turbo motor, what is the heat that’s exiting from the exhaust manifold? Wasted energy. A turbo turns that heat into energy.
The issue is that there isn’t a US OEM that can put a turbo in anything without turning it up lol (boost is addictive). The closest we have is the pathetic 2.7 GM offering that got put into a pickup because half of the people that buy a 1/2 ton pickup are posers that aren’t ever going to use their pickup for anything more than saying ‘look at me in my big truck’.
When an OEM decides to make a turbo vehicle with 2-4 cylinders that puts out the HP/TQ of a Prius we’ll see the response. And it will be the same from this group as we view a Prius presently.
Can they be more efficient? Of course! Why? Heat loss.
Think about your non turbo motor, what is the heat that’s exiting from the exhaust manifold? Wasted energy. A turbo turns that heat into energy.
The issue is that there isn’t a US OEM that can put a turbo in anything without turning it up lol (boost is addictive). The closest we have is the pathetic 2.7 GM offering that got put into a pickup because half of the people that buy a 1/2 ton pickup are posers that aren’t ever going to use their pickup for anything more than saying ‘look at me in my big truck’.
When an OEM decides to make a turbo vehicle with 2-4 cylinders that puts out the HP/TQ of a Prius we’ll see the response. And it will be the same from this group as we view a Prius presently.
The problems with the prius were threefold:
3) it was electric, and, electric sucks for a myriad of reasons when you aren't a city dweller commuting 5 miles to work.
2) It looked and was functionally retarded. In the 80s they said let's build a high MPG commuter car, they called it a fiero. With a 4spd and iron Duke it got 45mpg and looked good doing it. Defective batch of con rods plus specs/dipsticks marked for less oil in the pan gave it an undeserved bad rap. They were even great in the snow with snow tires on back.
1) the whole joystick thing was even more retarded than the appearance and functionality shortcoming. Serious lack of forethought with controls and layout.
People forget how much work you could do with torque, gearing, and under 120hp in big trucks all the way into the 1980s with a nice I6. Go back into the 50s and you're talking 50hp. Or those just over 100hp v6 gbodies.
You only need more HP when everyone else has it and drives like a holes who don't understand the principles of merging.
I’ll add #4 - 0-60 in the time it take it takes 5 drunk guys to put out a campfire with piss.
You guys need to learn how to build bigger fires 🤣
I dunno, I still have my fair share of likely around 50 rwhp vehicles. Then again, I've got them north of 500rwhp as well. And points in between. Spent many years DDing cars that couldn't physically exceed 75mph due to hp/gearing constraints, and, you used to have to kick down into passing gear at large hill bases and still lost speed by the crest at WOT. If cars like that, or worse, were the norm from the 1880s through 1980s if you remove maybe 1 decade or so, I really don't see why there isn't some middle ground.
Also, bigger rims and tires that keep growing are also retarded. Those do more to rob MPG in the real world than any powertrain considerations we toss around. No half ton wannabe pickup needs 22" factory wheels. A 235/75/15 as your "big" tire is fine, and even the old 205/70/15 they'd run out there is OK for the urban cowboys
I’ll second that haha (had throw that jab in 🙂 )
Sounds like you owned a K car at some point in your life.
You’re making my poser argument - thanks 😉
Too bad Cadillac's hot V twin turbo V8 was so expensive, it lasted one year. A real impressive motor. Expect to see many 3L or less displacement Inline or V6 with Turbo. That is the limit for Europe supposedly. There are some things I like about Dodge's Hurricane 6 but the things I don't are these. The spray weld cylinder liners, supposedly others are having oil consumption issues with this design. Second, if there is possible oil consumption, let's not put an oil dipstick in it. Yeah, good idea, a sensor will do🙄. Third, only direct injection. I would like to see everyone follow Ford's lead and put dual injection on these motors, boosted especially. I was surprised to see FCA spend a bunch for the Pentastar V6 plant. Supposedly, now all the V6 will be the PUG with the higher compression, better intake, also a lighter motor not only with VVT but also the variable valve lift. Cars like my Challenger still don't have them for some reason, they first came out in 2016. Hopefully the last of the V6 Challenger's get them. Weird what manufacturers do.
