Here's the deal. I got the spindle out, top ball joint out, and the top and bottom shock nut/bolts off. The spring is still hanging in there by the shock. The shock is wedged in the lower control arm hole as the spring is pushing against it. So they are both not budging. After tring to work them loose for a while, I decided to take out the control arm. I figured, 2 nuts and bolts, no biggie. Then the whole works will come out and I can start putting in the new.
I know there isn't any spring force pushing the arm open, seeing that the arm is open as far as it can be swung down. But there ain't much negotiating it up or down either. So finding the "sweet spot" is not an option.
I will use my ball joint remover clamp tool to push out the bolt in the ctl arm.
thanks all
Mike