electric fan math help please

[pontiacgp]

Bill, I was merely asking a question since there are new antifreeze on the market and I thought you had read about it being better at cooling with it mixed with water. I wasn't looking for a debate and I didn't mean to make you feel so threatened with a simple question

 

[bill]

please give me a link or two where water mixed with antifreeze absorbs more heat than just water. Everything I have seen online and from the knowledge of race teams the general consensus is that water alone is definitely a more efficient coolant and that surfactants such as Water Wetter does make a worthwhile difference

We arent discussing race applications here, which have completely different requirements and use different set ups. Water wetter was designed for racing applications originally, because plain water would boil out of the motor because it couldnt disapate the heat fast enough. Most racing applications use only water and wetter because of enviromental concerns and because race cars wreck a lot and spill their fluids alot and because race engines run hotter than average cars on the street. Antifreeze in a race car would be foolish in most situations, for several obvious reasons, yet you prefer to argue about my opinion, none the less.

 

[pontiacgp]

please give me a link or two where water mixed with antifreeze absorbs more heat than just water. Everything I have seen online and from the knowledge of race teams the general consensus is that water alone is definitely a more efficient coolant and that surfactants such as Water Wetter does make a worthwhile difference

your contradicting yourself in this statement.

how am I contradicting myself?

 

[bill]

Bill, I was merely asking a question since there are new antifreeze on the market and I thought you had read about it being better at cooling with it mixed with water. I wasn't looking for a debate and I didn't mean to make you feel so threatened with a simple question

Im not threatened .... Im also not surprised....I based my response on previous experience, so forgive me for that. I have been told this about antifreeze since the 70's..... I dont know of any new additives, other than anti corrosion, anti friction, and water wetting agents that have been added to antifreeze since the 80's..

 

[bill]

My post was not intended to be debated, just opinion thrown in for thought....Because it contradicts or differs in opinion from yours, doesnt make it less or more important. However, if you are still in need of more info, read on......

You would be wise to consider posting a link or article to support YOUR stance, rather than asking me to support mine...just for future reference.... :wink:

Im not even contradicting your statement if you read the quote in my post, it wasnt even from you!

Huh? now Im confused....lol...my response wasnt to your quote....it was to GP's....there...happy?

 

[khan0165]

this is an interesting subject... when I was younger, I was taught that pure water has a higher boiling point than antifreeze, and thus on a hot day, pure water would cool better. Antifreeze was only invented so the water would not freeze.

water has a boiling point of 100*C (212*F)

and when you buy a bottle of antifreeze, right on the back it has mixing directions and specifications of temperature range per solution percentage.
And I was interested to find out that for every percentage of mixture with antifreeze (with Ethylene Glycol) the boiling point is raised higher than what pure water would have. For example, with a 50/50 mixture, the boiling point is raised to 129*C (265*F)

and as I understand it, when heated up, antifreeze does not evaporate under pressure, unlike water which has a greater tendency to evaporate under pressure?

 

[pontiacgp]

please give me a link or two where water mixed with antifreeze absorbs more heat than just water. Everything I have seen online and from the knowledge of race teams the general consensus is that water alone is definitely a more efficient coolant and that surfactants such as Water Wetter does make a worthwhile difference

We arent discussing race applications here, which have completely different requirements and use different set ups. Water wetter was designed for racing applications originally, because plain water would boil out of the motor because it couldnt disapate the heat fast enough. Most racing applications use only water and wetter because of enviromental concerns and because race cars wreck a lot and spill their fluids alot and because race engines run hotter than average cars on the street. Antifreeze in a race car would be foolish in most situations, for several obvious reasons, yet you prefer to argue about my opinion, none the less.

I wasn't talking about just race applications. There are lots of people who run distilled water and water wetter or an equivalent in their street cars in the summer. The water wetter lubricates the system as well as bringing the water temp down. You can also use laundry detergent to get the same effect. On race engine plain water doesn't boil out as you suggest. We had our engine in the race car running around the track at over 260 and it never spayed on the windshield. A 28lbs cap helps

 

[pontiacgp]

this is an interesting subject... when I was younger, I was taught that pure water has a higher boiling point than antifreeze, and thus on a hot day, pure water would cool better. Antifreeze was only invented so the water would not freeze.

water has a boiling point of 100*C (212*F)

and when you buy a bottle of antifreeze, right on the back it has mixing directions and specifications of temperature range per solution percentage.
And I was interested to find out that for every percentage of mixture with antifreeze (with Ethylene Glycol) the boiling point is raised higher than what pure water would have. For example, with a 50/50 mixture, the boiling point is raised to 129*C (265*F)

and as I understand it, when heated up, antifreeze does not evaporate under pressure, unlike water which has a greater tendency to evaporate under pressure?

if you run pure antifreeze you'll fry the engine and not even know you're doing it. The antifreeze does not pick up heat off the engine so while your coolant temp looks good the block is getting hotter and hotter.

 

[khan0165]

correct... the instructions say that after 50/50 mixture, there is a opposite effect. The temperature range gets shorter and shorter

 

[MrLightning]

most (smart=non ignant) people would never run ONLY antifreeze nor for that matter, add laundry detergent to their cooling system!