Getting close, time for the dumb questions lol.

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I wanna get a pic of my exhaust too. But not enough room under the car for a good shot. But I'll try to explain it.

First off, when this system was put on, it was the set up where both pipes run down the same side until after the transmission x member (still the factory single hump). The clown that put the engine in hacked that off around the transmission tailshaft area. When I took it in to get it patched up to the shorty headers he did it different. He ran the drivers side pipe way over under where the x member bolts up, that way it still has the clearance. I know this isn't gonna help it flow (with the extra bends) but for a temporary, or stock engine it would be fine. From the side you can't see any pipe hanging down.

When I get the car up on stands again I'll get some pics of that too.
 
And yes, I know the engine bay is dirty. But I haven't had a chance to clean it for over 2 years lol. It will get cleaned up soon. 8)
 
I might have an idea where those lines are supposed to be hooked up. Luckily I'm already out in the garage documenting my sway bar install. lol. Gimme a sec to get the pics up on photobucket.

Also, about the trans, that engine we have in there came with a 700R4. We put the TH350 in after the 700 failed. I'm not sure where exactly that kick-down is from so once again I'd have to ask my dad.
 
If that engine is anything like my Olds, then there should be a line hooked into that big hose behind your carb:
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That hose runs to the passenger side and hooks into a pink line:
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There's another similar colored line running into some sort of diaphragm on one of the heater hoses:
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Better reference pic:
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Don't take my suggestions as gospel. I'm no expert by any means, but here's my take on it.

I'm surprised the car idled with that big port behind the carb open. That either needs to be plugged or ran to something else that requires vacuum. The tan & purple lines 307Regal is pointing to operates your vent controls inside. The metal canister going into the manifold next to the dipstick tube is the heater control valve and should have vacuum too. Since you have a TH-350, you might want to make sure you have a vacuum line running for the modulator too. In the past I've normally used that particular manifold port for that reason. YOU DON'T WANT ANY VACUUM LEAKS!

As for your kickdown cable, if it's not adjustable, you either need a shorter one or a bracket with different geometry. From looking at the pic, it doesn't look like it would work right even if you could get it onto the stud. There would be too much slack for it to engage at WOT. Universal/adjustable cables and brackets are available.

The vacuum line on the driver's fender doesn't look familiar to me. The only thing I recall being over there is for cruise (which I don't see) or vacuum to the washer pump. As for the thermal vacuum valve it's connected to on the water neck, I believe it's purpose in life is EGR related. It's pointless if you've deleted emissions equipment.

As for the vacuum advance on the distributor, you should have full vacuum advance at idle. I believe the full vacuum port on the Edelbrock carb is the one on the driver's side. You can double check it by seeing which one has vacuum at idle. I know some wise-*ss is going to start a pissing contest over ported & timed vacuum so here's a little info about the differences if anyone cares. You want full vacuum at idle on a street driven car.

This was written by a former GM engineer as a response to a similar question on a Camaro board:

As many of you are aware, timing and vacuum advance is one of my favorite subjects, as I was involved in the development of some of those systems in my GM days and I understand it. Many people don't, as there has been very little written about it anywhere that makes sense, and as a result, a lot of folks are under the misunderstanding that vacuum advance somehow compromises performance. Nothing could be further from the truth. I finally sat down the other day and wrote up a primer on the subject, with the objective of helping more folks to understand vacuum advance and how it works together with initial timing and centrifugal advance to optimize all-around operation and performance. I have this as a Word document if anyone wants it sent to them - I've cut-and-pasted it here; it's long, but hopefully it's also informative.

TIMING AND VACUUM ADVANCE 101

The most important concept to understand is that lean mixtures, such as at idle and steady highway cruise, take longer to burn than rich mixtures; idle in particular, as idle mixture is affected by exhaust gas dilution. This requires that lean mixtures have "the fire lit" earlier in the compression cycle (spark timing advanced), allowing more burn time so that peak cylinder pressure is reached just after TDC for peak efficiency and reduced exhaust gas temperature (wasted combustion energy). Rich mixtures, on the other hand, burn faster than lean mixtures, so they need to have "the fire lit" later in the compression cycle (spark timing retarded slightly) so maximum cylinder pressure is still achieved at the same point after TDC as with the lean mixture, for maximum efficiency.

The centrifugal advance system in a distributor advances spark timing purely as a function of engine rpm (irrespective of engine load or operating conditions), with the amount of advance and the rate at which it comes in determined by the weights and springs on top of the autocam mechanism. The amount of advance added by the distributor, combined with initial static timing, is "total timing" (i.e., the 34-36 degrees at high rpm that most SBC's like). Vacuum advance has absolutely nothing to do with total timing or performance, as when the throttle is opened, manifold vacuum drops essentially to zero, and the vacuum advance drops out entirely; it has no part in the "total timing" equation.

At idle, the engine needs additional spark advance in order to fire that lean, diluted mixture earlier in order to develop maximum cylinder pressure at the proper point, so the vacuum advance can (connected to manifold vacuum, not "ported" vacuum - more on that aberration later) is activated by the high manifold vacuum, and adds about 15 degrees of spark advance, on top of the initial static timing setting (i.e., if your static timing is at 10 degrees, at idle it's actually around 25 degrees with the vacuum advance connected). The same thing occurs at steady-state highway cruise; the mixture is lean, takes longer to burn, the load on the engine is low, the manifold vacuum is high, so the vacuum advance is again deployed, and if you had a timing light set up so you could see the balancer as you were going down the highway, you'd see about 50 degrees advance (10 degrees initial, 20-25 degrees from the centrifugal advance, and 15 degrees from the vacuum advance) at steady-state cruise (it only takes about 40 horsepower to cruise at 50mph).

When you accelerate, the mixture is instantly enriched (by the accelerator pump, power valve, etc.), burns faster, doesn't need the additional spark advance, and when the throttle plates open, manifold vacuum drops, and the vacuum advance can returns to zero, retarding the spark timing back to what is provided by the initial static timing plus the centrifugal advance provided by the distributor at that engine rpm; the vacuum advance doesn't come back into play until you back off the gas and manifold vacuum increases again as you return to steady-state cruise, when the mixture again becomes lean.

The key difference is that centrifugal advance (in the distributor autocam via weights and springs) is purely rpm-sensitive; nothing changes it except changes in rpm. Vacuum advance, on the other hand, responds to engine load and rapidly-changing operating conditions, providing the correct degree of spark advance at any point in time based on engine load, to deal with both lean and rich mixture conditions. By today's terms, this was a relatively crude mechanical system, but it did a good job of optimizing engine efficiency, throttle response, fuel economy, and idle cooling, with absolutely ZERO effect on wide-open throttle performance, as vacuum advance is inoperative under wide-open throttle conditions. In modern cars with computerized engine controllers, all those sensors and the controller change both mixture and spark timing 50 to 100 times per second, and we don't even HAVE a distributor any more - it's all electronic.

Now, to the widely-misunderstood manifold-vs.-ported vacuum aberration. After 30-40 years of controlling vacuum advance with full manifold vacuum, along came emissions requirements, years before catalytic converter technology had been developed, and all manner of crude band-aid systems were developed to try and reduce hydrocarbons and oxides of nitrogen in the exhaust stream. One of these band-aids was "ported spark", which moved the vacuum pickup orifice in the carburetor venturi from below the throttle plate (where it was exposed to full manifold vacuum at idle) to above the throttle plate, where it saw no manifold vacuum at all at idle. This meant the vacuum advance was inoperative at idle (retarding spark timing from its optimum value), and these applications also had VERY low initial static timing (usually 4 degrees or less, and some actually were set at 2 degrees AFTER TDC). This was done in order to increase exhaust gas temperature (due to "lighting the fire late") to improve the effectiveness of the "afterburning" of hydrocarbons by the air injected into the exhaust manifolds by the A.I.R. system; as a result, these engines ran like crap, and an enormous amount of wasted heat energy was transferred through the exhaust port walls into the coolant, causing them to run hot at idle - cylinder pressure fell off, engine temperatures went up, combustion efficiency went down the drain, and fuel economy went down with it.

If you look at the centrifugal advance calibrations for these "ported spark, late-timed" engines, you'll see that instead of having 20 degrees of advance, they had up to 34 degrees of advance in the distributor, in order to get back to the 34-36 degrees "total timing" at high rpm wide-open throttle to get some of the performance back. The vacuum advance still worked at steady-state highway cruise (lean mixture = low emissions), but it was inoperative at idle, which caused all manner of problems - "ported vacuum" was strictly an early, pre-converter crude emissions strategy, and nothing more.

What about the Harry high-school non-vacuum advance polished billet "whizbang" distributors you see in the Summit and Jeg's catalogs? They're JUNK on a street-driven car, but some people keep buying them because they're "race car" parts, so they must be "good for my car" - they're NOT. "Race cars" run at wide-open throttle, rich mixture, full load, and high rpm all the time, so they don't need a system (vacuum advance) to deal with the full range of driving conditions encountered in street operation. Anyone driving a street-driven car without manifold-connected vacuum advance is sacrificing idle cooling, throttle response, engine efficiency, and fuel economy, probably because they don't understand what vacuum advance is, how it works, and what it's for - there are lots of long-time experienced "mechanics" who don't understand the principles and operation of vacuum advance either, so they're not alone.

Vacuum advance calibrations are different between stock engines and modified engines, especially if you have a lot of cam and have relatively low manifold vacuum at idle. Most stock vacuum advance cans aren’t fully-deployed until they see about 15” Hg. Manifold vacuum, so those cans don’t work very well on a modified engine; with less than 15” Hg. at a rough idle, the stock can will “dither” in and out in response to the rapidly-changing manifold vacuum, constantly varying the amount of vacuum advance, which creates an unstable idle. Modified engines with more cam that generate less than 15” Hg. of vacuum at idle need a vacuum advance can that’s fully-deployed at least 1”, preferably 2” of vacuum less than idle vacuum level so idle advance is solid and stable; the Echlin #VC-1810 advance can (about $10 at NAPA) provides the same amount of advance as the stock can (15 degrees), but is fully-deployed at only 8” of vacuum, so there is no variation in idle timing even with a stout cam.

For peak engine performance, driveability, idle cooling and efficiency in a street-driven car, you need vacuum advance, connected to full manifold vacuum. Absolutely. Positively. Don't ask Summit or Jeg's about it – they don’t understand it, they're on commission, and they want to sell "race car" parts.
 
ok so the link i posted http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new ... 0/1402.pdf <<this one shoed i have the vac lins hooked up for a emissisons motor and i have a non emissisons motor so i went out and hook it up for a non emissisons motor and its all ****ed up seems like it need a full time and tune i did the time and tune while it was hooked up for emissisons i dident kno it could make that much of a dif.this morning it started right up and ran fine now it wont start and i got gas coming out the carb its nuts.i take and hook it back up how i had it strats and runs fine while it running i try to hook it back up for non emissisons and its dies with in a min and wont start back up is this right does it really make that much of a dif? that i will have to do a full retime and tune
 
cutlass79 said:
ok so the link i posted http://www.edelbrock.com/automotive_new ... 0/1402.pdf <<this one shoed i have the vac lins hooked up for a emissisons motor and i have a non emissisons motor so i went out and hook it up for a non emissisons motor and its all ****ed up seems like it need a full time and tune i did the time and tune while it was hooked up for emissisons i dident kno it could make that much of a dif.this morning it started right up and ran fine now it wont start and i got gas coming out the carb its nuts.i take and hook it back up how i had it strats and runs fine while it running i try to hook it back up for non emissisons and its dies with in a min and wont start back up is this right does it really make that much of a dif? that i will have to do a full retime and tune
i dont see how it could make that much of a dif cuz when u time a motor u unhook the vac line time it then hook that vac back up right? but now i got gas shoting out the carb and when i stop turning the key the motor still trys to turn over then trys to turn the wrong way b4stoping like its just way the hell out of time i never thought vac lines could make a dif like this?
 
OK here's a few more pics:

Here is this thing on the fender again. In this pic you can see a plug (that's no connected to anything, and can't see anwhere for it to plug into) hanging off it. The other 2 wires from it are the green and blue one you can see going under the washer fluid reservoir. My washer pump doesn't work, and I have an aftermarket electric one installed. So is this thing even needed?
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Here is an example of what I got with my $2500 (ish) install. Too lazy to put things back how they were:
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Pretty sure there should be some kind of ground strap attached to this:
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And this is the metal line I was talking about earlier:
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For the transmission?

And I see I have a coolant leak:
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But I can't tell where it's coming from. There is also a wet spot on the ground near the back of the block. So much for guaranteed not to have any leaks.

Also if you can see in the pics. The hoses are not new, and only 1 of the belts are new. All new hoses and belts were supposed to be installed.

The more I look at it the more it pisses me off. So now on top of EVERYTHING else I have to figure out where the leaks are coming from and try to figure out all the vacuum line mess. I can't believe I payed $6000 for this bullshit, and waited 11 months for it. NEVER let Kelly Libby touch your car.
 
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