Have Electric Cars finally killed muscle cars???

[Northernregal]

Again, a big difference is that EVs like Teslas are smart phones on wheels. They are wirelessly tethered to OEM HQ, collecting all sorts of data on you to send back to them. Tesla remotely monitors their cars and can allter anything about them over the air including range. A few years ago when a hurricane was going to hit a city, they gave Tesla drivers free temporary extended range upgrades, normally its an upcharge. So if you want to upgrade a Tesla you just pay Tesla to download tuning upgrades of to activie options already installed in the car. They can even remotely kill Tesla cars which means you can't truely own one.

People have hacked Teslas but they end up losing OEM support. They ard blackballed from services such as software updates and fast charging. My main problem with EVs is the insane monetization in them.

Mike kinda beat me to it. BUT

The ingenuity of the aftermarket will prevail.

It is kind of funny that the OEMs were generally protected by ignorance on the software side from the time of EFI's inception in the mid-80s. Sure chips and flash tuning happened, but it wasn't like the days of timing lights and screw drivers. The funny part is when tuning software suites came out in the late-90s where anyone could go nuts ruining factory tunes without consequence as the OEMs had no safe guards. Now in the current state of things the OEMs are using encryption and anti-tampering methods to prevent electronic circumvention. With the obvious next step being monitoring everything all the time OTA.

This is where the right to repair battle becomes the death of the muscle car. We, as hotrodders, want to tinker for speed and enjoyment. The OEMs cannot afford this model because it impacts their bottom line. So, to your point, it is a service-based or a la carte upgrade scheme where the OEMs offer unlockable warranty supported upgrades.

The problem is it takes it, the interaction of making the modification and the sense of accomplishment (and relationship building with said vehicle and brand), out of the hands of the enthusiasts. This emotive connection is what made the muscle car, the muscle car. Sure there are lots of chequebooker hotrodders out there but they aren't cut from the same cloth as the traditional hotrodder.

I don't care about your EV specs and stats.

You'll be the first one fabricobbling 3 motors per axle and stacking 75kwh packs through VFDs and arduinos.

 

[64nailhead]

That is assuming that the performance snobs of the future would value them at all or look down on them with scorn like how many LS guys do to classic gen engines today. Hotrodders like other consumers are easily influenced by automotive marketers. Just consume product and get excited for next product.

Nah, I'll be happy and haulin' the mail in 2050 with my turbo'd LS. Hopefully have a kid or two riding along to know the true smell of muscle -race gas and burning rubber. Hopefully in a G. I'm just hoping E85 or C16 is still available by then and I can still find a tire to burn

 

[DRIVEN]

Yup, my brother was prototyping speed parts for Teslas years ago. That said, I am not sold on the emotive connection being the same. In fact, I would call it a false equivalent as it relates to the experience gained from working on an EV to ICE to steam to a horse and buggy. The levels of complexity, skill, danger, and frustration vary with each form of propulsion. They are all unique.

But, that's the point of the discussion: The muscle car thrill dies with the EV thrill.

I do like my Starlink - at least until the thought police turn it off for wrong think.

People like what they like. I can respect the stats from a fast EV, but it has the soul of a golf cart. Hot rods and muscle cars are pure soul.

People still buy new Harleys, even though there are 2 dozen model equivalents from other manufacturers that are statistically superior in every way. But the vibration and exhaust cadence can't be duplicated. A guy will spend years tolerating a smelly, leaking, inefficient, unreliable Shovelhead. Why? Because to him it's a living breathing companion. He can field strip it in his sleep and diagnose it by taste. Find me someone who loves their Nissan Leaf like that.

 

[motorheadmike]

You'll be the first one fabricobbling 3 motors per axle and stacking 75kwh packs through VFDs and arduinos.

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High powered electrical systems scare me. With that said, I am going back to making wiring and plumbing schematics to pump high pressure oxidizers and accelerants (that burn colourless) into my already overpowered car. Did I tell you I am a Safety Officer managing national safety programs for the military again?

 

[64nailhead]

Did I tell you I am a Safety Officer managing national safety programs for the military again?

There are times that I'm not sure whether I should trust you with a Walmart security job or a tune up on my lawnmower.

 

[Northernregal]

High powered electrical systems scare me. With that said, I am going back to making wiring and plumbing schematics to pump high pressure oxidizers and accelerants (that burn colourless) into my already overpowered car. Did I tell you I am a Safety Officer managing national safety programs for the military again?

Electrical isn't any more scary than fuel, it's just like a different section of pornhub, eventually you'll get aroused by it.

Sorry to hear you are the fun police. I remember when you used to be cool.

 

[Supercharged111]

There are times that I'm not sure whether I should trust you with a Walmart security job or a tune up on my lawnmower.

 

[jiho]

It can't be. It's more of the fact that the clueless are pushing these drop dead dates and some states are falling into that trap by making it more political than it needs to be. So they feel like they'll score points if they move up not selling any ICE vehicles to the public in their state after 2030 or some other arbitrary date. This is dangerous because there are some permanent gov. employees that will take it at face value and push the envelope harder instead of looking around and check the real viability of such an endeavor. In reality, it's more like these commercials on TV saying that you should invest in gold because some guy predicted an economic crash by the end of 2009, or 2010, or 2011, etc., (keep adding a year every year this crap's been on TV). One of these years he'll probably be right.

Careful now ....

 

[Wageslave]

People like what they like. I can respect the stats from a fast EV, but it has the soul of a golf cart. Hot rods and muscle cars are pure soul.

People still buy new Harleys, even though there are 2 dozen model equivalents from other manufacturers that are statistically superior in every way. But the vibration and exhaust cadence can't be duplicated. A guy will spend years tolerating a smelly, leaking, inefficient, unreliable Shovelhead. Why? Because to him it's a living breathing companion. He can field strip it in his sleep and diagnose it by taste. Find me someone who loves their Nissan Leaf like that.

They could tolerate the Harley because they are masochists. Just sayin'.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

Mike kinda beat me to it. BUT

The ingenuity of the aftermarket will prevail.



You'll be the first one fabricobbling 3 motors per axle and stacking 75kwh packs through VFDs and arduinos.

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Can't say the same about the aftermarket's historically dubious quality.