Much like you, I don't care if most of the country goes EV, but I do fear the legislation that will follow that could make it illegal to drive even the mildest ICE. Exhaust fumes and noise decibels already seem to be "under attack".
Have Electric Cars finally killed muscle cars???
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Much like you, I don't care if most of the country goes EV, but I do fear the legislation that will follow that could make it illegal to drive even the mildest ICE. Exhaust fumes and noise decibels already seem to be "under attack".
Another nail in the coffin thanks to fuel economy:
www.motorious.com
Do not want.
Stellantis’ Hurricane Twin-Turbo Inline-6 Engine Is A Ticking Time Bomb
It’s here just in time to replace the Hemi V8!
www.motorious.com
Do not want.
😴 fast but boring.
EVs in their current incarnation will not be able to take over.
- Not enough Lithium on the planet
- Current Electric Grid can't handle it
- Extreme heat e.g. Phoenix, TX, etc. seriously degrade battery life
- Extreme Cold (Mid-West, North East) seriously degrade battery life
- Economics of initial price and battery replacement costs is not cheaper than ICE cars
- Possibly Dangerous (perceived?) e.g. Chevy Bolt combusting
- Impractical for high mileage users like salesmen, couriers etc.
Porsche Working on Synthetic Fuel with EV-Level Clean Emissions
The hydrogen-based fuel will be ready for testing in 2022, including in the new Porsche 911 GT3 Cup race car.
www.caranddriver.com
It's very possible that we'll never see any future generations of V8s outside of very niche/exotic cars which is sad. But it won't be because of EVs, it'll be lack of demand, high fuel costs and Government mandates. As costs of EVs soar due to scarcity of the precious metals you'll probably see small turbo Diesels rise in popularity especially in the trucks and SUVs, until a more viable alternative to Lithium batteries is developed or Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles have enough safety controls built in or the eFuels rise in popularity.
The Politicians and Silly-ConArtist Valley types are pushing the narrative that EVs are the way of the future but it's just impossible at this point for a 1:1 replacement of ICE to EV cars on the road.
😴 fast but boring.
EVs in their current incarnation will not be able to take over.
The Germans seem to understand and Porsche is working on efuels:
- Not enough Lithium on the planet
- Current Electric Grid can't handle it
- Extreme heat e.g. Phoenix, TX, etc. seriously degrade battery life
- Extreme Cold (Mid-West, North East) seriously degrade battery life
- Economics of initial price and battery replacement costs is not cheaper than ICE cars
- Possibly Dangerous (perceived?) e.g. Chevy Bolt combusting
- Impractical for high mileage users like salesmen, couriers etc.
Porsche Working on Synthetic Fuel with EV-Level Clean Emissions
The hydrogen-based fuel will be ready for testing in 2022, including in the new Porsche 911 GT3 Cup race car.
It's very possible that we'll never see any future generations of V8s outside of very niche/exotic cars which is sad. But it won't be because of EVs, it'll be lack of demand, high fuel costs and Government mandates. As costs of EVs soar due to scarcity of the precious metals you'll probably see small turbo Diesels rise in popularity especially in the trucks and SUVs, until a more viable alternative to Lithium batteries is developed or Hydrogen Fuel Cell vehicles have enough safety controls built in or the eFuels rise in popularity.
The Politicians and Silly-ConArtist Valley types are pushing the narrative that EVs are the way of the future but it's just impossible at this point for a 1:1 replacement of ICE to EV cars on the road.
This is why auto experts are predicting the end of private car ownership and a mass switchover to rideshare services, subscriptions, or perm a leases.
Jesus, what jaded Boomer wrote that article? I know in the Jeep forums, people have been asking for an engine like this for years. Basically a modern 4.0 with factory forced induction. This would be a perfect engine for anything Jeep, and a great option for the Ram trucks as well.Another nail in the coffin thanks to fuel economy:
Stellantis’ Hurricane Twin-Turbo Inline-6 Engine Is A Ticking Time Bomb
It’s here just in time to replace the Hemi V8!
Do not want.
As much as I like horsepower, those big Hemis have a few glaring downsides. Ignoring the whole fuel economy thing, they are wide engines. It is getting harder and harder to package something around that big engine and not have an excessively large vehicle as a result.
It's the death of the ICE muscle car... the whole premise of this thread. A turbo V6 is a great thing, but it really isn't a muscle car engine.
[Insert muh Grand National/Turbo TA/Sy/Ty would argue otherwise here]
The absence of a big V8 5.7 to 7.0L in a car is a gut punch to a lot of people. Particularly when it doesn't seem justified for the reasons presented.
I totally get your sentiment. But millions of Hemis have been produced and they won't just evaporate. We still see flatheads at almost every car show after almost 75 years of extinction. On paper, the Hurricane looks pretty cool. Only time will tell how it ages.
A boosted LV3 4.3 might get you to come around. Agreed its not a V8, but with a mere 14psi could make 600 crank HP.
60's - 70's Muscle Cars reeked of cool. Body lines, colors, interiors, consoles w/cool shifters, and a good rumbling V8 under the hood. Even small-block muscle-cars were cool. The less muscular versions could still be had & built off of. The ability for the average Joe/Jo to get their hands dirty making it their own. They tried to keep things alive in the late 70's but were hit & miss until the engineering turned the corner to start bringing power back to the table. That's where g-body builds & guys like us get to tweak things to what we want. Power? Ok. More original? Ok. Something the OE's "should-of made"? Heck yeah!
EV's? Where is the coolness? Where will the 2020 Tesla be in 40yrs? With exception to the top tier Plaid model, where is the 'cool' (not that I think they rate)?
So from the perspective of what's going to be available via manufacturers, the government regulated CAFE mandates are what's going to finish-off the segment of the market that doesn't cater to families and/or mass transit type transportation that seats more than 4 adults.... The vehicles that interest groups like us (muscle).
Sorry.... I'd take a 400hp HEMI Challenger over a 500hp Hurricane TT Inline-6. No HEMI? No thanks. Same w/the EV & all of it's gadgetry. I'll take a hard pass.
EV's? Where is the coolness? Where will the 2020 Tesla be in 40yrs? With exception to the top tier Plaid model, where is the 'cool' (not that I think they rate)?
So from the perspective of what's going to be available via manufacturers, the government regulated CAFE mandates are what's going to finish-off the segment of the market that doesn't cater to families and/or mass transit type transportation that seats more than 4 adults.... The vehicles that interest groups like us (muscle).
Sorry.... I'd take a 400hp HEMI Challenger over a 500hp Hurricane TT Inline-6. No HEMI? No thanks. Same w/the EV & all of it's gadgetry. I'll take a hard pass.
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