Hey GM, You're Not Fooling Me

[mclellan83]

lotta crabby opinions in here. these companies would'nt be making the cars they are if they weren't selling, the general public doesn't do offroading and could give a damn less about looks they want features and safety followed by mpg. that said do i like any of the new cars now. that said i found one i do like and that's the 2018 regal sportback i just bought thing gets 40 mpg on the highway with the cruise set at 70 is super comfortable and handles pretty dang good. these companies everyone is crapping on here tried performance cars and they all flop as the ppl that want new performance cars cant afford new performance cars.

I didn't feel like going back to quote the GTO comment as well, but GM is notorious for strictly focusing on the halo car to market their sales. Like I said earlier we are the rarity, we aren't who they focus on to make all their sales and service numbers. So they focus on that, which I think is a mistake to give up on the people that support your brand the most. GM has continuously brought over bad *ss cars near the end of their life cycle and then give next to nothing in marketing in the hopes that we would support it enough to make it work for them. The GTO, G8, and Chevy SS were all awesome driving cars from Holden that they should have left alone and brought over pretty much the way they were. Instead they make expensive small changes and then wonder why nobody wanted to buy this:

When Holden was putting out this:

That Chevy SS was a really nice car that was a great rival to all the grand touring cars yet they put next to no money into marketing it to the masses then wonder why it doesn't sell. I really wish I would have bought one of the last blue 6 speeds they were almost giving away if I had room in the garage for it.

 

[pagrunt]

Finally go to see a 4 door Camaro, I mean wanna be Blazer. It has lower ground clearance than the well worn Totota Camry that could use struts & springs parked next to it. Sadder than accepting a Yugo as a classic sports car (but at this point a better choice.)

 

[-83MONTESS-]

you do realize who is running the show at GM? and most other large F500's right? It's not zomgwtfbbq "millennials" ...



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Beat me to it. I love the tired and all too cliche "DEm dAMn MilLEniALs" arguement....who the hell do you think raised them? The answer is the people that need a safe space from said millenials 🤣

Now get me my participation trophy that your generation invented please

 

[Skippy]

It won't be long before someone wearing plaid, slicked over hair and a beard is driving one around with a useless thin-walled exo-cage off of amazon, off-road stickers, spare tire on the roof with an orange strap, fuel can on the back, blowing vape smoke out the window pretending that they are an experienced over-lander but have never spent a night in the rooftop tent they have sitting on the floor of their garage.....
Sorry if this offends anyone that this describes....if so, then drop the vape out the window and then it doesn't describe you anymore...

 

[81cutlass]

The other reason a lot of the auto companies are dropping sedans is that the US EPA CAFE requirements give special breaks to "truck based" SUV's. Basically you have to get 56 mpg in a car but make it truck based and the requirement drops to 40mpg. 40 is doable but 56 isn't by 2025.

https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a...de-to-the-corporate-average-fuel-economy-law/

"When President Obama announced in 2011 that the industry fleet standard would rise to 54.5 mpg by 2025, it was DOA. That widely touted target assumes buyers will purchase more cars and fewer trucks in 2025 compared with today. In fact, the market is moving in the other direction."

What makes it "truck based"? Basically, a hatch with loading height above a certain height, certain amounts of ground clearance, having 4wd, ect. Govt wanted people to drive more cars but people will buy what they are told they WANT and auto mfg make more money on CUV's than cars so they can pump the profit margins up.

https://blog.ucsusa.org/don-anair/what-makes-a-car-a-truck-and-why-it-matters-for-fuel-economy

"put 4-wheel drive (4WD) on a CRV and it gets classified as a “non-passenger vehicle,” or truck, while the 2-wheel drive (2WD) version is a “passenger vehicle,” or car under federal fuel efficiency"

Basically, CUV's allows mfg. to cheat and allow customers to buy what they want for a cheap price without being taxed by the govt for bad fuel economy, while maximizing auto mfg. profit margins. Engineers are smart and marketing will sell whatever they can to make money. Consumers are dumb and buy whatever they are told is good for them.

CUV's like the new blazer, trailblazer and everything else are a way to play inside a dumb system set up by the govt. The govt makes these regulations because nobody that actually writes laws has a clue what engineering a car is like. The reason cars look like they do today is to fit inside the govt regulations, not because it is the most efficient or best.

A CUV is just a bigger, system wide version of 85mph max speedometers, sealed beam headlights, You get some people that cheat the system like ford SVO mustang speedometers going to 140 but stopping the numbers at 85, same situation is the regal "tour X" wagon which is the same as the euro spec version but plus plastic and ride height, but its a way to cheat the regulations.



GM's (and everyone elses') goal isn't to fool the customer, its to fool the GOVT!!!

 

[pagrunt]

Now get me my participation trophy that your generation invented please

 

[joesregalproject]

Beat me to it. I love the tired and all too cliche "DEm dAMn MilLEniALs" arguement....who the hell do you think raised them? The answer is the people that need a safe space from said millenials 🤣

Now get me my participation trophy that your generation invented please

I'm with you completely. I'm not a fan of the millennial stereotype any more than anyone else is, but please let's not act like the baby boomer generation is any better.

 

[-83MONTESS-]

but please let's not act like the baby boomer generation is any better.

This

 

[84 El Camino 231]

Looks like we'll need to increase import duties until this nonsense stops.

 

[84 El Camino 231]

The hood looks as if the brakes don't work.