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Stocks can be liquidated quickly, though. And with a stop loss, I don't even have to be awake to sell if a stock gets in trouble
I don't want to sound argumentative, but do you think you're the only one this that program in lace? And what happens when everyone sells at once?

THERE IS NO MONEY IN THE STOCK MARKET - only paper. It works great until too many people want there money at the same time. When the debt, or our inability to finance the debt, become overwhelming - you won't be able to liquidate fast enough.

The people in charge (the ones keeping the lie going) need to convince folks like us to keep our money there and let us go to bed at night thinking 'it's protected'.

Money in jars - worth nothing. Silver, gold, platinum in jars - worth something.

edit - my opinion of course. FWIW I invest in my retirement as well, but I'll be in the same boat as everyone else (except those that know where to dig in my backyard lol)
 
Money in jars - worth nothing. Silver, gold, platinum in jars - worth something.
Krugerrands... made in gold, silver, blah blah blah. Not as gimmicky as the artful coins so less markup for numismatic or intrinsic value and usually quite available.
 
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Good lord I certainly hope I'm not the only one with an escape plan. I'm just tightening up mine a bit.

I think some people might be overreacting. The market won't tank forever. It'll pull back, or stumble, or be volatile for a while, but it has always found a bottom and came back. I think people would be quietly surprised at how many people try to catch falling knives in the stock market. At my current stop loss point, there will be buyers, and then money from that sale will be deposited in my account. Then I'll just wait for a while, and when things settle down, I'll scoop up some of those flattened-but-still-promising stocks and go again. It's how it works. Growth stocks don't help your portfolio grow if you're not invested.

It wouldn't be the first time the market corrects itself, and it won't be the last. But in the long run, it has made people richer and I know it will continue to do so until/if something comes along that is just as lucrative. It's the last guy sitting down when the music stops is not going to have a seat. As long as there are companies on the exchanges making money, there will always be someone buying or selling their stock. Margins and short-sales notwithstanding, the stock market is a zero sum game for the most part. Someone is always winning, and someone is always losing.

Besides, I have my G-bodies. You ain't got enough gold and silver to buy them. 🙂
 
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I too believe things are lining up for a significant "correction". Some people will lose their minds, freak out, and sell. Some will buy at the low end and make a mint when things recover. I am a few years from needing to cash out my investments, so I'm just gonna keep on doing what I'm doing now. We met with an advisor last March right as the market was taking it's COVID dump. He said "What are you going to do tomorrow (with my accounts)?" Me-"Get up and go to work- nothing". The 2008 crash recovered to pre-crash values within 24-36 months, depending on the index. If you could hold your breath that long, you would have had the same "money" you had before. I like the "bucket" approach- have 2-4 years of living expenses in stable, low risk investments, 3-7 years in low to mid risk, and the rest shoot for the moon- aggressive/growth.
 
Good lord I certainly hope I'm not the only one with an escape plan. I'm just tightening up mine a bit.

At my current stop loss point, there will be buyers, and then money from that sale will be deposited in my account.
If you don’t mind sharing, what broker do you use that provides the stop loss? IIRC, most major brokers do not provide this option ( Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.)
 
Was anyone around last time we had a good blast of inflation courtesy of J. Carter? People can debate the inflation-control methods they used to reign it in called Reaganomics, or supply-side economics but IIRC, inflation rates went from above 10% to less than 5% by the October 87 market "major correction" called Black Monday. The debt soared from 1980-87 and that was believed to be a major factor pushing stock prices down, along with more monetary policies coming out of Congress (sound familiar?). To this day there's nobody that can definitely point to what the root cause was for that correction. But there wasn't the stop-trade trigger points there are today to allow breathing room. Had there been, it may not have been as severe a correction.

Top earner tax rates went from 70% to 50% and corporate taxes slashed to 34%. Still pretty high. Bad things were increased Social Security taxes and a long-term plan to raise Social Security age for boomers which is happening now.

I was so happy to see that, in general, interest rates dropped BELOW 10% for new-car financing sometime in 1986 as the economy slowed down after the big tax cuts. Deregulating everything helped initially, but in long-term I think it shouldn't have been that fast. JMO. All of Reaganomics will not work this time around, but the stopping of printing money and giving it away would help.

I financed my then-new 85 442 through South Carolina National Bank (I think Wachovia bought them up in the 90s, who then got sucked up by Wells Fargo). I'll have to dig out my contract but I believe it was around 13% interest. GMAC was even worse had I gone that route. Honestly, I can't even believe how people were getting loans back then with the loan-to-value constraints in place. I do know it was tougher to meet the bar for a car loan back then, and mortgages were a PITA. I do know it was nice seeing a few percentage points on the left of the decimal on savings accounts where they actually paid you something for keeping money in their bank.

It's funny, I was reading an "old" article that was written way back in January of 2020 about the last administration's economic explosion and how strong the consumer confidence was as were corporate earnings, and jobs jobs jobs....and that was only 18 months ago. And IMO, that's the exact reason the Covid wasn't as financially painful as it surely could have been. If we were in the same economic shape back in March 2020 as we are now when the pandemic hit, I'd probably be in a FEMA food line somewhere. It's amazing how fast you can throw an economy into a ditch.
 
If you don’t mind sharing, what broker do you use that provides the stop loss? IIRC, most major brokers do not provide this option ( Vanguard, Fidelity, etc.)
All of them should. If you're in a company 401K though, I'm not sure if they allow for that, you'd have to ask them. I have different self-managed IRA accounts at different places such as Fidelity, Schwab and TDAmeritrade. But they all allow you to sell stop loss in $ or %. You can do conditionals, or limits, just about any exit strategy you prefer. Even if you have an account manager working for you, you can tell him/her what you want to do and let him/her do it if you desire. Precipitous drops are likely never always avoidable with stop limit or stop loss orders, so even if you have a 5% stop loss and the next day the stock opens 8% lower it will sell for the next trade price. It's not a guaranteed sale price. If price goes up 8%, the stop loss gets recalculated automatically to 5% below the highest price. But you can always elect to sell the stock at any point yourself either with a call to your broker or if you have your own account you can sell it immediately with a market order.

I'm sure there are others here with much more financial wizardry than I that can explain all of it in more detail. If I knew all of what I was supposed to do, I'd be paying someone else to type this stuff for me as I lounged in my indoor swimming pool.

You have to gage your own risk aversion though. If you're a day trader type, then setting up stop losses probably aren't a concern because you're on top of your stuff every day. If you like rolling the dice, then you can widen the exit strategy to stay in the game longer. If you're getting nervous, then you can tighten up the reigns a bit. Unfortunately, there's no magic bullet for trading. You have to risk something when you invest in anything. The hope is, you make smart decisions based on earning potential of a company, not because you "like" or "dislike" a company. Keep emotions out of trading, and you usually do better.

This explains stuff way better than I can:

 
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Besides, I have my G-bodies. You ain't got enough gold and silver to buy them. 🙂
We don't need gold or silver.... we just need to convince your wife of all the nice things she could have if she sold us your old junk 😉
 
We don't need gold or silver.... we just need to convince your wife of all the nice things she could have if she sold us your old junk 😉
Just wait until I die. Which, hopefully, won't be too soon. Then I won't care one bit. 🙂
 

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