Is the modern car scene a reflection of income inequality....?

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So I graduated HS in 2007 and back then I was known for having one of the fastest cars; a 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 with 225hp. It's just crazy how much things have changed in the 15yrs since then.... Right now my daily driver is a 1995 Acura Legend with the 200hp 3.2 V6. It does 0-60 in 8 sec. Back in HS I would've won a lot of races with that car, all the younger grease monkey's would've respected it, etc. IDK if I'm just getting older but I just don't see younger people getting into cars anymore; guess just whoever has a trust fund and buys a Tesla or Lambo at age 16 wins now like Justin Bieber. Back in the mid 2000's installing a cold air intake on a V-Tec Honda gave you another 10-12Hp and that was a big deal but why bother making a 200hp car into a 210-220hp car when a grandma with a new 60k Tesla will just beat you and all the high powered ICE cars are in the 400-700hp+ range now?

I just don't see the fun in it anymore, what do you guys think? I mean crap in 2005-2007 if you had a stock L-98 350 F-body you literally were the king with 230hp, I kid you not. Back then only rich older guys had an LT-1 or LS-1 Vette, etc. that did 0-60 under 6.5 sec...
 
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An engineer I know predicted that this would happen. The OEMs have an army of full time PhDs employed in their R&D while aftermarket performance companies maybe have one to two and the average hotrodder rarely having even one. This gap will only continue to grow and the aftermarket is eventually doomed. However, speed has always been determined by the depth of one's pockets and it will only get worse as the law of declining returns holds true even for the OEMs.
 
So I graduated HS in 2007 and back then I was known for having one of the fastest cars; a 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 with 225hp. It's just crazy how much things have changed in the 15yrs since then.... Right now my daily driver is a 1995 Acura Legend with the 200hp 3.2 V6. It does 0-60 in 8 sec. Back in HS I would've won a lot of races with that car, all the younger grease monkey's would've respected it, etc. IDK if I'm just getting older but I just don't see younger people getting into cars anymore; guess just whoever has a trust fund and buys a Tesla or Lambo at age 16 wins now like Justin Bieber. Back in the mid 2000's installing a cold air intake on a V-Tec Honda gave you another 10-12Hp and that was a big deal but why bother making a 200hp car into a 210-220hp car when a grandma with a new 60k Tesla will just beat you and all the high powered ICE cars are in the 400-700hp+ range now?

I just don't see the fun in it anymore, what do you guys think? I mean crap in 2005-2007 if you had a stock L-98 350 F-body you literally were the king with 230hp, I kid you not. Back then only rich older guys had an LT-1 or LS-1 Vette, etc. that did 0-60 under 6.5 sec...

An engineer I know predicted that this would happen. The OEMs have an army of full time PhDs employed in their R&D while aftermarket performance companies maybe have one to two and the average hotrodder rarely having even one. This gap will only continue to grow and the aftermarket is eventually doomed. However, speed has always been determined by the depth of one's pockets and it will only get worse as the law of declining returns holds true even for the OEMs.

I disagree with both views.

The aftermarket will exist as long as the ICE is allowed on the roads and the tracks. No electric car gives the same feel and response, nor, ever will.

Perfect example of this: the pickup truck. Older trucks are, without a doubt, less capable than new ones hands down. Whether it's power, payload, frame strength, towing control, braking systems, fuel mileage, you name it.

But, is there no market for an older truck? On the contrary, as they age they become worth exponentially more than what they cost new. Yet, are they faster than new trucks? More capable at their original job? No. They're not, and yet, people want them, and even loaded with aftermarket parts, they don't pass the new trucks in any category.

Did the hot rod disappear because the every-man high horsepower muscle car era came around? Nope.

When traction and tires caught up and let lower hp emissions malaise cars run times the muscle cars put down, did muscle cars go away? Or traditional hot rods? Nope

Now, when computer controls and fuel tech, coupled with even better traction and tire technology, are surpassing the earlier emissions era cars, why would we think they're going to go away?

What you're seeing is a societal shift in general and nothing to do with the inequality BS the media pushes.

People are more interested in social media, streaming TV, and fast and easy than anything that requires work.

Look at any sporting pursuits - hunting, fishing, camping, hiking, etc... any hands on stuff like gardening, woodworking, welding, masonry, etc... heck, even Sunday dinners, family outings, picnics, holiday parts get togethers outside Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter... it's not the in thing.

So, don't be surprised when you see a change in the car hobby. However, I for one think you will see a resurgence in both the aftermarket and the car hobby within about 10-15 years.

Soon, ICEs will be getting phased out by major automakers. Not only are EVs more expensive to buy, but, they make TERRIBLE used cars. Battery replacement costs are more than residual value about 5-7 years out on many, and, no matter what you think economies of scale can cut it to, you just push that limit by a couple years down the road.

Mechanics don't keep tools to work on older stuff, places don't train on older tech... but what's going to be the affordable vehicle at that point? The ICE cars that need repairs and fixing up. That should drive a turn around.
 
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I don’t know if I agree or how much I agree with that. 15 years ago 225-250 hp wasn’t all that hot, 25 years ago maybe. By the years you reference 05’-07’ there were lots of mass produced faster cars, LS1 f-bodies(and LT1), L67 GTP’s, Regal GS’s were all over the roads. I was there. I don’t have a pulse on what teenagers or even people in their 20’s are doing now but personally know of a couple guys in their mid 20’s into our cars and see many more. People like to make wide generalizations about generations but there are more similarities between people of any generation when comparing what a guy at 23 was doing/thinking in any era or year. As people get older I think they often lose that perspective or forget.
 
So I graduated HS in 2007 and back then I was known for having one of the fastest cars; a 1990 Mustang GT 5.0 with 225hp. It's just crazy how much things have changed in the 15yrs since then.... Right now my daily driver is a 1995 Acura Legend with the 200hp 3.2 V6. It does 0-60 in 8 sec. Back in HS I would've won a lot of races with that car, all the younger grease monkey's would've respected it, etc. IDK if I'm just getting older but I just don't see younger people getting into cars anymore; guess just whoever has a trust fund and buys a Tesla or Lambo at age 16 wins now like Justin Bieber. Back in the mid 2000's installing a cold air intake on a V-Tec Honda gave you another 10-12Hp and that was a big deal but why bother making a 200hp car into a 210-220hp car when a grandma with a new 60k Tesla will just beat you and all the high powered ICE cars are in the 400-700hp+ range now?

I just don't see the fun in it anymore, what do you guys think? I mean crap in 2005-2007 if you had a stock L-98 350 F-body you literally were the king with 230hp, I kid you not. Back then only rich older guys had an LT-1 or LS-1 Vette, etc. that did 0-60 under 6.5 sec...

Not sure about the car scene being a 'reflection of income inequality'.

Sure, the tech is there now that a 200 hp car is pretty run of the mill. Not sure of what young kids are into nowadays, I don't have kids. But a friend of mine's son (mid-20s) has a 350z that he plays around with and many of his friends are into cars. My nephew of a similar age is also into it a bit and many of his friends too - at least based on the cars I saw at his wedding. But all these guys are buying and modding older cars, mostly imports.

Yeah, pretty much anyone can get a 7 second 0-60 car. It's still the rich older guys buying the Vettes - that certainly hasn't changed. Or they're buying the M or AMG German cars etc. The tech has changed, the baseline has advanced by leaps and bounds, but it always has been and always will be a pay to play type hobby.
 
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I have two kids both with interest in cars but from a standpoint other than power / speed. We have a 41 Chevy Master Deluxe as a father son project. Both did the body work but my oldest enjoyed the painting and likes the interior work. At car shows he is more interested in the paint and design than what under the hood as long as it drives. My younger son like working on the mechanical but cruising around is good enough, high speed is not needed to just drive for hours and watch the world go by. The 41 has its original drive train and he is redoing the seals on the front of the torque tube and since it is in the same area the e brake linkage.

Many of the car meets that I have been to that are just weekly drive ins there are various crowds. I have seen that the import, off road and low rider groups seem to have more younger member.

I do agree this is an expensive hobby to get into. You not only need an second car but a space to work on it and the tools to do it with. My kids are working on my cars so that is not an issue for them, might be if they were on their own.

One request I do have is to not put down someone else's cars just because it is different than what you would do. I have been to a few events where one group of people is complaining that another ruined their cars by modifying it in X way, or did not restore it to stock, or put Ford parts on a Chevy etc. My thought has always been that is another member of the car community let them do what they want with their car as long as it is safe to drive.
 
I guess it depends where you live and what kind of racing you did. But, in 1999-2000 when I graduated high school I was already driving a 300hp car. My Monte. Then it became a 375hp car with some heads... and then I added nitrous. mid-12s on or off the bottle, just more MPH on. It broke a lot of hearts.

Built a turbo Buick around the same time got it into the 11s. Bought a used 2002 LS1 Camaro in 2007, put it into the mid-12s with gears and a tune.

My friends were doing similar work with similar platforms. I don't believe you or the people around you knew how to wrench or drive. Not a criticism, just an observation about the circles you ran in.

I am stuck in the 11s now with heavy cars that drive better and have AC (usually, damn TBSS). But, there are a handful of guys here well into the 10s and 9s; self-built and piloted. You probably just need to stop fantasizing, stay off Instagram, and start putting in the work.
 
One other thing I left out of my diatribe that has an effect:

@#$%&@! HOA lovers and the people who live around within them, as well as pompous types rewriting nuisance laws.

Read carefully. Even in non HOA areas a code officer was no choice but to give you a miserable time if anyone, even if they live 10 miles away, complains about what they see in your driveway.

Makes it harder than it used to be
 
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If anything it's easier to go fast than it's ever been.

Buy a 12k coyote mustang and drop $8k on some turbo parts and run 9's

Information is everywhere, you can do an EFI swap using just reading the internet.
 
If you ever hear people talk when they reminisce, its usually about their vehicles that once was, and as people age and they have supple means, they usually try to acquire a vehicle that they had back in high school, or a parent or grand parent owned.

As time advances, yes there are less people (kids) exposed to those circumstances growing up which posses a problem, but there will always be something special about being able to modify or tune a car, the sound of an ICE or the smell of the fuel, IDK, If your a car guy, you will always be one. I think as hard as EV vehicles are being pushed, the ICE as a society of car enthusiasts, drivers and collectors should be pushing back even harder, get younger people involved and excited about it, get out there and show off your rides at shows and meets, make it fun!....Because God only knows and EV and the word "fun" don't go in the same sentence in my humble opinion.
 
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