Our father God and Savior Christ

[David Williamson]

David, you don't honestly think catholics aren't christians do you?
The catholic religion is the ORIGIONAL christian religion, started by Peter the appostle.
Protestant christianity started 1517 when martin luther decided he didn't want to follow the teachings of the catholic church anymore. Now there are hundreds of protestant christian groups, but it all strarted from catholisism.
For those who are interested there are some really good vids by randal niles on youtube called the journey. It's about his conversion from atheism to christianity.
Here is the first part of a very interesting group of videos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiB2K_BAyAk

No I believe we all follow the same god, but I don't believe in religion myself, I simply believe in god sent his son Christ to die on the cross for us so that we may be saved from hell.
I believe in God and his son Jesus, Religion to me is something to put a title on and I don't title my God, I believe we all believe and worship the same god and believe Christ Jesus was sent to this doomed world to save us all by shedding his blood and cleansing us all.

I do believe we all have the god given right to believe or not to believe its all up to us to have faith or to spite his name, It is not me to cast judgment or to bad mouth you, but god alone will be your judge when our time comes, when he comes to call his people, you will be left to repent for your bad doings.

when you are Judged by our father, will he say its okay you didn't believe, its fine I understand?
No he will simply tell you, I am sorry I tried to call your name to change your path, but you chose not to listen.

But I bless all the non believers with Jesus name, you all are loved unconditionally no matter what he will always love and care for you.

 

[1986montecarlols]

Amen to that brother, stfu you stupid religious nutcase. Coming from a person who has studied history for over 6 years, let me tell you all something. You might want to pick up some history books/philosophy books and do a little bit of reading outside of your bible. Start with the quaran otherwise known as the koran. Then you might want to read about some buddhism, hinduism, taoism, shintoism, charvakism, and zen buddhism.

The real problem in this world is that people are are all seeking the truth, the real meaning of life, and their purpose in life. We get stuck with snobs like you, and other people who think its their job to tell others how to run their lives, how god this, jesus this, is going to end this world soon and come down and punish the wicked. Its funny, every religion ive ever studied tells its versions of a so called faith. Read my lips, FAITH! Thats the problem, there is no truth, there is no logic, or science behind religion and therefore nooone not one person has the right to tell anyone how to run their life. Here in the states, we call that the right, freedom of religion and the right to pursue happiness. But for you bible toting guys, you think it gives you the right to do as you please and spread your bullshit anywhere in the world. The problem is, noone wants it because the majority of the world has woke up, they see the lies, the stupidity of religion.
There have been countless examples of why religion stinks. It is responsible for countless wars, maniacs like the works of hitler, stalin, and other countless maniacs i dont care to talk about. If your dumb enough to post on here you clearly are brainwashed like 80% of the other americans in our country which is why ill be happy when I leave this place given the chance.
maybe you should read about the wars of religion that took place in the 1500s and 1600s. Read about the crusades, the blood shed that took place there, and still does because we simply wont wake up and smell the coffee that the middle east is no mans land. Read about the Prussian/German state, Hitler, and many other religous ideas. Read about other religions, then maybe you wont be narrow minded and sound so stupid as you do now. Anyone who reads one book and thinks they know everything such as yourself is clearly very blunt, and ill taught in the ways of life. You sir are a ****ing fool. You make myself and the people who have woken up in this world sick. Who the **** are you to judge me, and other people who choose to do what we do. If there is a so called god, why not let him, her, it judge us. Why do you want to complain about it, are you looking for a reward or something. Ill shut up now, i just hate ****s like you, your pathetic, your a worm

 

[1986montecarlols]

I have my own beliefs that ill keep to myself, I am no more right then the next guy nor do I ask to be or want to be. I have my beliefs you have your beliefs but its people like you saying this is going to happen, your going to do this that make me sick. You dont know sh*t buddy, your no different then the next guy so stop ****ing acting like you do. Keep your opinions to yourself.

To the guy who said that the catholic faith was the original faith. You are wrong as well. Actually christianitys roots began to take fold when paganism was losing its grip in the world. Constantine was the first to adopt the religion as the religion of rome. It wasnt catholic, baptist, lutheran, or anything yet. Your also wrong about luther. He wasnt the first. Actually a manby the name of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huldrych_Zwingli was the first, if you dont believe me read the stupid wiki source made up for idiots like you to learn and become educated.

 

[Red Regal T]

Actually, I'm not interested in the topic David has chosen to speak about, but I certainly defend his right to say it. He speaks of Jesus Christ who, whether one believes or not, preached primarily, love and brotherhood, and David just wanted to remind us of that message of love. That's a loving and kind thing to do, and not worthy of such ridicule and condemnation. Sadly, some of his detractors here, are the extreme zealots, so incensed by any talk of Christianity they indulge in personal attacks and namecalling to silence him. That the talk of love and brotherhood which America once stood for, brings out such hateful spew, one has to wonder where all this hatred comes from, especially hatred of Christianity. Though I'm not a Christian, but familiar with Christianity, I know exactly where all this hatred emanates from. Certainly, Wikipedia is made up for idiots and is spoon fed to those idiots by an outgroup among us who has infiltrated Wikipedia, controls all information Americans receive in America. They hold an extreme hatred for Christians and frankly White people primarily and are deliberately working to destroy America.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t52LB2fY ... r_embedded

 

[megaladon6]

and this is why you don't post religious threads on a car forum. no matter what it turns to crap. so while we're in the cess pit i'll keep digging. (though i try hard not to get personal and ask others not to)
for the guy who said christianity came from paganism, seriously? uh, ever heard of Judaism? you know, the 5 thousand+ year old religion that is the basis for christianity (in all its forms) and Islam. the first known monotheistic religion.
red regal: oh i'd love to hear this one. who are we blaming?
here's a question. while it's been a long time since i read the bible, is there any evidence that your god is this kind, merciful, forgiving god you love to preach about? i remember things like sodom and gomorrah, cain and able, 40 years of desert wandering, armageddeon, lot's wife, and sending his son to be crucified.
then there's the whole "free-will" thing. there's a complete load of crap. how can there be free will if there are rules? what right does god have to judge a person's actions, when god has said you can do whatever you want--you have free will?
the really funny thing, when you really look at the bible (let's actually this is actually a "real" story) you all have things backwards.
what's the first thing god does? "let there be light, and light was good" funny, Lucifer translates as the Light Bringer
fast forward--do whatever you want, the one rule is don't have the apple (what idiot says this? it guarantees they'll have the apple) you are not allowed to see and understand the world around you. so lucifer brought them (and us) knowledge and the ability to think for ourselves. actually, he got them to do it for themselves, so they actually earned it, not just had it given to them.
god demands a blood sacrifice of abraham. why?
god turns his back on cain because he didn't offer enough of a sacrifice to god? what does god need with sheep, food etc? doesn't this seem kind of petty and cruel?
floods the world, kills almost everyone
destroys 2 cities because they exhibited free will
"thou shalt have no god but the one true god" somebody's a little narcissistic. and apparently there are other gods, otherwise he wouldn't have to make this a commandment.
pride is a sin? no one has more pride than god.
if god is merciful, why do children get leukemia?
if he's merciful and forgiving, why is there a lake of fire?
when an earthquake happens, what do people say? "gods will"
and what has lucifer done in all of this? no earthquakes, no diseases, no four horsemen, no angels of death, no torture, no outcasts. lucifer (according to the bible) has tried to help us. he helped get us knowledge, has allowed us to live our liver OUR way, and he accepts any and everyone.
how many wars have been fought in god's name? how many pogroms, auto de fa's, inquisitions, etc
how many in lucifer's?
the logical conclusion from all of this? lucifer is actually the "good" guy and god is the evil one. when the angelic war ended the morally correct side LOST and was kicked out.
think about it

 

[Red Regal T]

So, you agree with the personal attacks against the Christian because he dared mention the teachings of Jesus Christ? As I said, I am not a Christian, but I see nothing David said that makes him deserve to be personally attacked. And, Christianity originated with the teachings of JC, who was portrayed as kind and merciful, loving person. The Bible that explains Christianity is called the New Testament. Christianity didn't come from judaism. That's just BS jews have capitalized on to make Christians believe they are the "chosen people". Sure, the old testament is full of the violence you seem to be familiar with, and it is so precisely because it is mostly fairy tales written by the jews.

America was founded on Christian ethics and was an amazing country for 200 years. But it seems to me as we get further away from this Christian ethic, America is failing, and failing rapidly. Unless we realize as Americans how we are being manipulated by those who wish to destroy us, then we will in fact be destroyed. Those subverters and manipulators are the one's who should receive our vitriol and hatred. Not those who would dare preach love and brotherhood.

This may be a automotive site. But this is the off-topic forum. If you're not interested in religion, and I'm not myself, then it would behoove all of us to at least not attack this poster. If one disagrees with him, fine. But there is no justification for attacking him.

 

[megaladon6]

i'm sorry was this not clear enough for you?

(though i try hard not to get personal and ask others not to)

The Bible that explains Christianity is called the New Testament. Christianity didn't come from judaism.

Sure, the old testament is full of the violence you seem to be familiar with, and it is so precisely because it is mostly fairy tales written by the jews.

Christianity didn't come from judaism. That's just BS jews have capitalized on to make Christians believe they are the "chosen people".

how do you reconcile these statements? christianity is not based on judaism, but the entire first half of the bible is the old testamnent, originally known as the torah. according to the bible, jesus was not only a jew, but the king of the jews. and how have jews capitalized on this? again, according to YOUR BIBLE, the jews are the "children of god", and the chosen ones. they are the only group i know of who have an actual "contract" with god. (worked out with abraham)
oh, violence in the bible. it's only in the old testament? ever heard of revelations? how about the crucifixion? i seem to remember a line about peter and his sword too. and none of that changes the fact that your bible has multiple occurrences of violence, destruction and evil behavior by god, and virtually no "good" actions.
and those "christian ethics" the USA was founded on, other than the ten commandments, what are they? remind me, who brought the commandments down from the mountain?
this is why i greatly dislike the christian churches. they brainwash many of their followers to just accept what the church says. they never want their followers to think for themselves, and so they swallow all this bullshit which is completely contradicted by their own bible and the original teachings of christ! did he not talk about "love for your fellow man"? did he discriminate? did he say kill everyone who does not follow me?
while im on that subject, im sure someone is thinking "but the jews killed christ" couple of points here
1) if christ hadn't been killed, then he wouldn't be christ would he? he wouldn't have died for your sins. so where would that leave you?
2) wasn't that the whole point? wasn't the son of god born specifically to die for your sins? therefore those who killed christ and those who helped would be considered the hand of god
3) the jews did not kill christ, the romans did. yes, the jewish council did decide that the romans had the right to arrest christ. according to roman (and i believe jewish) law he was guilty of something similar to "disturbing the peace" and roman law called for death on most violations.
4) judas was not a jew. he was a christian. think about it, he was a follower of christ.
5) christ KNEW he was to be betrayed, expected it, and needed it to happen. re-read the "last supper" section. ("before the c*ck crows thrice" IIRC)
logically you should thank judas, the romans, and the jews for helping christ fulfill his destiny.

 

[1986montecarlols]

yes megladon i know all about judaism, and islam, and christianity, due to the middle east conflict. I spent 45 minutes on here as it was talking, i was sick of it. Its not like this is a history term paper of mine or anything. Besides the typical american is hated in this world becuase our country hasnt woken up as of yet.

Yes the bible is full of sh*t, for anyone who cares to read, read the story of abraham. He kills his son isaac for ****s sake simply becuase it was supposed to be a test of god of his faith. Yeah ok but murder is never right. lol I have countless examples. Your right megladon, the bible is very contradictary as is many religions, thats why i cant believe people cant wake up and see how much bullshit it really is. Its nothing but way to control people, a giant mind ****.


oh and dont forget, in different versions of christianity, the devil and god actually work together. Hell in paganism the devil wasnt even deemed evil lol, he was simply a tool and work of god to help out in his daily work haha. thats why i laugh at these kinda people, they lack logic. As you said keep this sh*t as a car forum, thats what the site is for. Noone cares about what shrine you believe in.

 

[Red Regal T]

How about the cruxificion? Who exactly killed Jesus Christ? According to the new testament, Jesus Christ's teachings, all people are the children of God. According to the old Testament, the jews were called the "chosen". Of course, it does indeed say that in Genesis, a 5000 year old book from the Old Testament. Yes, jews say they had contact with God, but most things jews say just aren't true, but when you tell a lie often enough, people tend to believe it's true. According to the Old Testament, God made a covenant with the Hebrews. Jews agreed to ALWAYS adhere to the Word of God. Well, if you'll remember, the Word of God was made flesh ... in the personage of Jesus Christ, and the jews promptly had him killed. I think jews renegged on the bargain, don't you? The jews are an accursed race. Jesus himself, said directly to the jews ... "You are of your father, the devil, and the lusts of your father you will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it. John 8:44

True even today!

But, getting back to my original objection to which I commented. I'm not here to argue religious opinion. I'm not into religion. I'm merely here to point out the unwarranted attacks against someone who merely brings up Christianity by saying we are all blessed to live life. Whether you or I embrace Christianity has nothing to do with attacks against this fellow simply for talking about his belief in God's love, whether we believe in it or not. The namecalling and attacks are the point. Not what you or I believe about Christianity.

And the growing negative attitudes today toward Christianity have been brought about by these same subverters and manipulators that I have mentioned before. They hate Jesus Christ and Christianity. These parasites I speak of are involved in everything that they can use to destroy this society, and control every institution critical to America's survival as a free nation. They are against America. These are the people who deserve our ire. Not those preaching love and brotherhood towards his fellow man.


"Religion, too, must be taught, and through this necessity we have labored.

With our control of the text book industry and the news media, we have been able to hold ourselves up as the authorities on religion. Many of our rabbis now hold professorships in supposed Christian theological seminaries. We are amazed by the Christians' stupidity in receiving our teachings and propagating them as their own.

Judaism is not only the teaching of the synagogue, but also the doctrine of every 'Christian Church' in America. Through our propaganda the Church has become our most avid supporter. This has even given us a special place in society, their believing the lie that we are the 'chosen people' and they, gentiles.

These deluded children of the Church defend us to the point of destroying their own culture". -- Harold W. Rosenthal, Admin. Asst. to Senator Jacob Javitts, 1976

 

[1986montecarlols]

and like anyone in human history, sure there was a jesus but he has been made into a legend, an idol, a demigod. I wouldnt be surprized if the guy was sacrificed on a cross. The problem i do have however is where is the proof? Wheres the cross, wheres the grail, wheres the arc of the covenant ? I need hard evidence for this.

The guy who said that the jews made christians look bad, really has his head up his *ss. The jews were the original christians, related to the 12 desciples of jesus supposedly, that is what the whole entire story of the old testiment was supposed to be about. The lineage of jesus. You really need to get your facts straight, study some more before you laugh at me, a student of history and philosophy for over 6 years. Megladon has his facts straight, I dont even need to say much more. Hes right, actually lucifer is technicaly the nicer of the two.

oh and lastly, if you think our country is so great, perhaps you should read the accounts of ben franklin, or perhaps our good friend ole george washington. youll find out that these 2 men in particular were far from being christians. They were athiests. Its also interesting how you say our country has gotten worse. So I guess your pinpointing that the years during 1861-1865 and before were great years. Slavery rooted in our country, the last of the big 3 countries to outlaw slavery lol. But those are good ethics. Yes your surely rght our country was once good but now has gotten worse. Lets not forget about WWII or Vietnam, but those times were better as well right? Actually the world has gotten more and more peaceful. once people like you, and the idiots are finally wiped out, perhaps there might be something close to world peace but that time hasnt come upon us yet. I look forward to that day. Europe for the most part has woken up though


who the hell are you to say what the jews say are true or not, who are you to say that what christians say are true or not. Any evidence you protest from the bible could be wrong, it was written by people who had their own bias beliefs.


actually christians have been given a bad name due to the contstant wars throughout history, maybe you should read about fleet of admiral perry in 1851, when the so called converts wouldnt convert in china to christianity they were slaughtered, as were the converts in Africa when England, and France traveled there. I also assume the native americans, their gods, beliefs thats all rubble too right, even without knowing the real god the holy spirit they are wrong too for not knowing. The fact remains that christians are hated in this world because people are sick and tired of their bullshit beliefs, bullshit ethics your either with us or against us, sounds more like the damn sith from the star wars movies then anything.

Christianity has been thrown out in most places due to the fact that people simply dont need it, we as people have realized that there is no evidence, truth, moral need for the bible. Now that that world is a more open connected place. People now are more mobile, able, and motivated to seek out their own beliefs rather then listen to what the masses used to say. It has nothing to do with bad people pushing religion out. Afterall if that was the case, christianity would persevere, the thing is its not. Im sorry to say but your battle and any other nutcases battle for religion has failed. That again is why our country is so hated in the world, becuase our people american people are the last of a stupid dying generation in the world. ITs why we are laughed at around every corner.

To the guy complaining about dave being able to say what he pleases your right he is, but guess what the flip side si htat i have the same right to post what I please. Hell if I want to post up a bunch of satonic beliefs in the off topic subject I will. Afterall its my given right to do so just as he does. I could care less if I am criticised for my beliefs. lol Me and the rest of the world know the real matter at hadn, we look back at you old fools, the conservatives, and laugh. Obama isnt great, hes not a ******** though. You cant blame one guy for his policies, its alot more then that, and i dont even care to talk into it, ive spent enough time on this thread have a nice day