Pontiac 455 from derby car = bad idea?

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Just a few thoughts for you while you’re in the parts collecting process. I’ve built a lot of cars and engines over the years, usually high performance stuff and for the most part it’s worked pretty well.

The last couple of builds I have done I went a little bit different route……. lower RPM torque motors (440 in a 76 Dodge Stepside and my current 500 Caddy in an 83 El Camino).


I wanted to keep the engines at between 2300-2600 RPM at 75 MPH and take advantage of the torque those engines made in that area. Figuring the gear ratio was simple, figure out the rear tire size I was going to run (what would look “right” on the car) then plug the tire size and RPM into one of the on line calculators.


The hardest part of both builds was getting my head around cam/head/intake selection to make torque in the lower RPM range. Fortunately for both builds I was able to find real dyno results that for baseline (stock) engines with the same compression ratio and heads I started out with. I was also able to see the dyno results for the different mods as the engines were built with different parts to different levels. In the case of both engines (based on the Dyno) results for an out of the box hotter cam and after market intake resulted in a HP increase but did so by moving the torque peak to a higher RPM range with a net LOSS in peak torque. Further Mods did gain the torque back + and the HP figures were impressive but by that time the RPM range the engine was operating in was well above what I wanted for a highway cruiser.

In the case of both engines in reality what I ended up building was a pretty stock motor (with OE intakes in both cases). Now I could always upgrade these engines with “better” cam, intake and heads moving the RPM range up, but that kind of defeats the purpose of building a low RPM street monster.

What I’m getting at is you may want to search out some good dyno tests for the 455 and see what happens with the different mods paying particular attention to what and where the torque is going to be.

By the way I’m really looking forward to the results of your project.
 
You bring up a lot of the things I've been thinking about.

My bottom line is reliability and a car that's enjoyable to drive. It's going to be a weekend/nice weather cruiser, enough power for the occasional stop-light blast, good idle, and capable of making a HotRod power tour one day :lol:

I think my biggest concern is matching the cam to the compression ratio. Besides what Shotgun was suggesting, everything I read points to 6X-4 heads and "068" spin-offs as being the best combo for what I want to do. As for the intake, I'm going to go with a Performer. Supposedly same flow characteristics as stock but I want the weight savings to go with.

In the end, I still want the car to have the feel and acceleration of a car with a lot of cubes under the hood. I'd hate to be telling people there's a 455 under the hood and it doesn't live up to the expectations. Bragging rights are part of the whole process.
 
Don't worry about the 455 living up to it's rep. Just make sure the REST of the car can hang on for the ride!
 
The reasonI recommend the RPM is the increased plenum volume. Bigger motors need larger plenum volume.

If you are going with the Performer you will need to do a few things.

1) Port match to whatever intake gasket you are using atleast an 1" into the manifold

2) Open up the water crossover to match the gasket, the holes are horrible

3) Run , at minimum a 1/2" phenolic spacer . I also cut out the divider between the secondaries on the spacer and taper the edge toward the primaries

Got a couple Performers if you can't find anything local.
 
shotgun said:
The reasonI recommend the RPM is the increased plenum volume. Bigger motors need larger plenum volume.

If you are going with the Performer you will need to do a few things.

1) Port match to whatever intake gasket you are using atleast an 1" into the manifold

2) Open up the water crossover to match the gasket, the holes are horrible

3) Run , at minimum a 1/2" phenolic spacer . I also cut out the divider between the secondaries on the spacer and taper the edge toward the primaries

Got a couple Performers if you can't find anything local.

Am I going to be facing hood clearance problems with the RPM?
 
Maybe, IIRC it is about 1 1/2" taller then stock. A drop base air cleaner may help.

There is some guy on here with a Pontiac wagon :mrgreen: that could tell you what clearance is like with his intake and go from there.
 
I had a 70' 400 w/stock manifold and stock dual snorkel air cleaner in my Malibu wagon. That fit fine, but I don't think you have much more than an inch to play with.
 
Hey Steve, thanks for the decal info. I have 2 on order and will stick them on the lemans in the spring
Dean
 
Bonnewagon said:
I had a 70' 400 w/stock manifold and stock dual snorkel air cleaner in my Malibu wagon. That fit fine, but I don't think you have much more than an inch to play with.

I thought I read somewhere that the RPM intake is 1.5" taller, but not sure. I'm not particularly fond of drop base air cleaners either. Granted, the last time I used one was probably 10 years ago but I remember having linkage hang-up with a squarebore and it fit like crap. Maybe it was cheap Chinese junk. Who knows.
 
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