Rear frame rot

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By comparison it would almost have been easier to do a frame off and toss the old frame away in favor of something in better shape; thing being that cherry, un molested, pristine, rust free frames are like hens teeth up here in the land of the Frozen Chosen.
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I pieced two frames together in the early nineties. In Massachusetts. 80 Malibu, already rotten underneath by '89, and a complete rear section from a mid eighties Cutlass.
Could have stacked up complete frames down here in New Mexico, where i've lived for over twenty five years, but a ton of work to remove, haul out of pick a part or other yard, store, and then find buyers. So passed on that idea. Especially when you have a full time regular job and need to concentrate on that.
I did meet a guy "steve mcdonald" a few years back, he had a cottage business hauling classic era frames (68-72 A) and subframes (68-74 F/X) up to Ontario. Wonder if he is still doing it, I don't have his number as of now.
 
So the section of rear frame horn that you need has to include at least the first part of the kickup that takes the frame rail over the rear end.?
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Nick I hear ya loud and clear. Ive attached a few more pics for clarity, pointing to the same seam all the way around. The top and sides appear to be fairly decent, but the vertical crack at the seam on the inside tells me it's thin. My thought at this point is that it will be easier to fab something up if I can get the whole thing out in one piece instead of trying to salvage and patch in from underneath the car.
 

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Just a curious question... Are rear sub frames commercially available? I know on my 81 Firebird spring hangers bad, and rear over axle rails rotten, common problem with F-Body. The rear subframe kit was $2,500 (2008), now I guess they are running about $4,000. Is similar available for the G Body?
Nothing of the such for us. We're lucky some one came out with rear rails after all these years.
 
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Your problem may be far more extensive that you think. In the third picture it looks to me that the bottom seam where the two panels overlap has rotted away almost to the Vee that becomes the location for the body mount. Not sure at this point what the best method would be to deal with this but dead certain that if you want to do a total replacement, at the bare minimum you need a section of frame that starts at the body mount just forward of the rear wheel house and which is complete and intact all the way to the bumper flange.

The big problem here is that the upper point of the section of damaged seam to which you are pointing lies squarely against the pocket for the coil spring. A major part of cutting away the old frame rail is going to be freeing the inner wall of the frame away from that pocket. That will not be easy because that upper spring pocket was probably seam welded along the upper edge of the rail for maximum strength. Not only that but if memory serves, the pocket is also attached to the rear crossmember at some point and you do not want to weaken that piece of structure at all.

It is too bad you are in Maine and NewmexGuy is in New Mexico. Right now I am personally seeing this as a cost vs benefit question involving the price to do the repair/replacement, given all the potential complications involved, versus finding a frame from the sunbelt as close as possible to you, paying the shipping costs to get it home and doing a complete frame swap.

I get bringing it in from NM is cost prohibitve but there at least a few members on the board who live south of the Mason-Dixon and know of yards and vendors who could have frames for sale; much closer.

I also appreciate that the exchanging of one frame for another is a labor intensive piece of dirty mind boggling work but when it appears that the existing frame is as structurally compromised as the pictures you show of yours seem to indicate that it is, then, at what point does repair become so expensive that replace is actually cheaper?


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Your problem may be far more extensive that you think. In the third picture it looks to me that the bottom seam where the two panels overlap has rotted away almost to the Vee that becomes the location for the body mount. Not sure at this point what the best method would be to deal with this but dead certain that if you want to do a total replacement, at the bare minimum you need a section of frame that starts at the body mount just forward of the rear wheel house and which is complete and intact all the way to the bumper flange.

The big problem here is that the upper point of the section of damaged seam to which you are pointing lies squarely against the pocket for the coil spring. A major part of cutting away the old frame rail is going to be freeing the inner wall of the frame away from that pocket. That will not be easy because that upper spring pocket was probably seam welded along the upper edge of the rail for maximum strength. Not only that but if memory serves, the pocket is also attached to the rear crossmember at some point and you do not want to weaken that piece of structure at all.

It is too bad you are in Maine and NewmexGuy is in New Mexico. Right now I am personally seeing this as a cost vs benefit question involving the price to do the repair/replacement, given all the potential complications involved, versus finding a frame from the sunbelt as close as possible to you, paying the shipping costs to get it home and doing a complete frame swap.

I get bringing it in from NM is cost prohibitve but there at least a few members on the board who live south of the Mason-Dixon and know of yards and vendors who could have frames for sale; much closer.

I also appreciate that the exchanging of one frame for another is a labor intensive piece of dirty mind boggling work but when it appears that the existing frame is as structurally compromised as the pictures you show of yours seem to indicate that it is, then, at what point does repair become so expensive that replace is actually cheaper?


Nick
There's that guy in New England others have brought up that has a good collection of G parts & might have a good frame &/or frame section.
 
That guy that I mentioned on Craig’s list has a whole frame for $900. Wondering if that might be tha cheaper way to go in the end?
Ill have it repaired by end of this weekend hopefully. Been busy. I have the metal on hand. It's 12 gauge by the way.
 
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