Some advice from the other LT1 guys please? MYSTERY SOLVED!

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Rather than join some other Fbody or LT1 forum, I figured I could get some sound advice here. I'll try to give pertinent details without writing an epic novel. Here we go.
My dad picked up a '94 Trans Am (118K miles showing) earlier this week hoping to make it a flip. The ad disclosed a "noise in the engine more than a valve adjustment". According to the seller, he picked it up as a project, had a "mechanic" adjust the valve and the noise remained. He looked at the car and said it sounded like a collapsed lifter. I went back with him the next day. It sounded like a lifter to me too but it had a dead miss with it. A deal was struck and he drove it 40 miles to my house. As I followed him home there were no problems. He said it ran fine, the miss would come and go, oil pressure was great (50psi cruising and 25 idle when hot). I thought about it overnight and checked it out in the morning. Bad valve spring maybe? The next morning I fired it up. The noise was slight at first but as the car warmed up it got louder. It is ticking at valvetrain speed - not engine speed. Sounded like it was coming from the passenger side front. Pulled injector plugs one at a time to see if it ran or sounded any different. #4 made almost no change. Pulled the passenger side Valve cover. In the process found the intake boot rolled at the bottom there it connects to the throttle body. Installed my "windowed" VC and proceeded to check valve adjustment and see if I could find any damaged parts. These are the things I know:
-The dead miss all but went away once I fixed the boot and readjusted the valves.
-At some point a push rod on #2 and #4 was bent and wore the hole in the head oval shaped. Appeared to be an old injury.
-Many of the springs were shinier (no carbon) between coils. Done but the last guy during valve adjust?
-No bent push rods.
-No broken springs.
-No broken or cracked rockers. A couple were shiny on the guide rails. Touching the retainer?
I removed the driver's side and found the same things. I proceeded to remove the intake. Some had obviously been there before in the past but not too recently. I removed all the lifters and checked for any rough rollers or soft plungers. None were found. They were suspiciously cleaner than all the other parts. Next I pulled all the lifters out of a spare LT1 in the corner ('95 Impala). They look a bit different than the newer set in the T/A. Was there a production difference between the iron head and aluminum head LTs? Maybe just aftermarket instead of GM parts? Put everything back together and have the exact same noise in the same area. Readjusted all the valves hot and running. No change. My next step will be to buy a new set of rockers since the shiny rails were suspect.

Whew! Now that I've got all that out...am I missing something? Have any of you guys run into this? Any suggestions are welcome. Thanks for looking.
 
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The valves are not loosening up, in other words the rocker nuts still have plenty of crush on the studs?
Stock type rockers? Screw in studs and guideplates? If rail type rocker no guideplates should be used.
 
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Nuts are staying put. Screw in studs, no guide plates. Stock self-aligning rockers.
 
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Some updated info:
Pulled the plugs and did a compression test. All cylinders were between 200-215 (cold). Adjusted the rockers one more time -- just because. Did an oil change + a bottle of Lucas. The oil that came out was pretty clean but seemed thin like 5W20. After all that I think it was a bit quieter. On cold start-up there is no tick for 2-3 minutes then it gradually starts. When you slowly raise the RPM it disappears by 2000 with only the random occasional single tick. I ordered a set if stock replacement GM rockers, balls and nuts and installed them. No change.
So, since there is a broken exhaust bolt at the very rear that can't be reached in the car, I'm planning to pull the head and remove the springs. I have been told that a bad guide could be the cause. I could pull the valve springs on the car but pulling the head really won't take much longer. I can probably have the head removed and on my bench in about an hour.

Any other suggestions before I tear this thing apart? I've been playing with SBCs for 25 years and this thing has me baffled. It's a matter of spite now :? .
 
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I'm confused, did you actually change the lifters?, also is there any chance your noise is an exhaust leak?
 
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I did replace the lifters. While I had them out I shined a light into the bores to inspect the cam lobes and they all looked fine. Also replaced the rockers, balls and nuts. Pushrods were cleaned and checked for straightness. Springs were visually inspected and no problems were seen. The noise seems to be coming from the middle of the passenger side head but cannot be pinpointed with a stethoscope. There is a slight exhaust leak due to a broken manifold bolt at the rear but it goes away after the car runs for 1-2 minutes. The tick I've been chasing starts as the car reaches operating temperature.
 
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Things that go tick in a LT1...
The injectors will make a ticking noise pretty much all the time. If not your injectors are clogged, your also looking at the valve terrain and those roller lifters, they also also tick.
Any... Any. type of exhaust leak will tick. So if you've got a broken exhaust bolt you can pretty much assume that's your problem. An exhaust leak can cause the the PCM to retard the timing because it sees the tick as a knock. Especially if the leak is on the passenger side close to the knock sensor. Check fuel filter as well. You might have good pressure at idle but at heavy load you could deplete the pressure.
 
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its the exhaust leak from the broken bolt had that in my 95 imapala and 96 caprice. you will have to pull the head to get the broken bolt out. you think the tick goes away but i dont belive it is fully also the lt-1 always were a noisey drive train...
 
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It's not the exhaust leak that I'm talking about. I'm positive about that. The head has been removed (to remove the broken bolt, if for no other reason) and the springs removed. The #4 exhaust valve was just loose enough in the guide to make a noise with the same tone as the one I hear while it's running while sitting on my bench. I pulled the head and removed the springs hot, after it had been run for a while. Oddly enough, once it sat over night and cooled down I could not reproduce the noise on the bench. It's currently at the machine shop having the guides replaced. I'll post results once I get it back and installed.
 
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Having been intimately involved with 5 LT1's I can tell you, they tend to be noisy in the valvetrain area and most if not all run fairly low opil pressure for some reason. Neither seems to cause any problems.
 
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