Still feeling patriotic? read this

[RITTER]

I do admit that the government does some messed up stuff. I also know that my only say in anything, as a citizen, is a vote. Beyond that the government has gone too far and will continue to get more corrupt, not better :idea: I place my vote when it is time and I will continue to pray for the leaders of our country

 

[CHRIS.O]

How the government treats its people has no bearing on my love for this country and my fellow countrymen. The government is out of control and I have heard rumors of that story before I saw it in this post. It does not surprise me one bit. Our government and the people that lead this country are mostly garbage. My patriotism for what I feel my country stands for and for what the people of this country contribute stands unaffected by what our government does.

 

[RITTER]

How the government treats its people has no bearing on my love for this country and my fellow countrymen. The government is out of control and I have heard rumors of that story before I saw it in this post. It does not surprise me one bit. Our government and the people that lead this country are mostly garbage. My patriotism for what I feel my country stands for and for what the people of this country contribute stands unaffected by what our government does.

That's what I was trying to say but you are better with my words CHRIS.Ooooo

 

[kornball426]

Partial remains... What are they supposed to do with them? Make a millions of graves that say "here lies the unidentifiable bits of someone or something we have no idea who or what". It's not like it's a person it's pieces... What do you think happens to amputated body parts and other bio hazardous waste?

Not a big deal in my opinion... If it was whole human being that's a little different.

 

[pencero]

Plenty of people reflect on the Clinton years as being better times and hail him as the best recent president - but they don't necessarily forgive him for lying to the people. If you can't see that what was done with these bodies isnt the issue and what was told to the people (bs) is really the issue, I cant help you. Your moral compass is obviously corrupted and there is really nothing I could possibly do to help you out then. That's basically my response to the "why should this make me feel less patriotic" thing too. If you really read this story and didnt feel less patriotic then you are no different than a member of a cult really. If its "ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country" you are trying to insinuate, sure - but a story like this makes someone thinking of joining the service and do for the country less likely to do so obviously. I'm sure someone somewhere who could have made a great pilot won't join the service now because of this story. I'm sure that person has the same amount of love for his countrymen as he did before the story broke... so if he doesnt join the service now because of this bs then : how was patriotism not lost !?

I'll just say this, I don't have hate for the people of this country, sure there are certain people who I do passionately hate as individuals, ok: when I refer to losing patriotism Im strictly talking about whats going on in DC and thats it. When a story like this breaks it just further reiterates to me that the people have lost control of a broken machine - so please dont try to sidetrack me with the whole "patriotism is about the people to" I disagree. If the people really did have better control of the government you would have a valid point but stories like this really dont lend that idea any credit.

 

[pontiacgp]

If you really read this story and didnt feel less patriotic then you are no different than a member of a cult really.

that is pretty rude...

 

[Randy_W]

If you really read this story and didnt feel less patriotic then you are no different than a member of a cult really.

that is pretty rude...

It's not so much rude as arrogant and ignorant of the truth. Patriotism is the belief in and support of ones country, even when it isn't perfect.

I don't deny it happened, I live 50 miles from Dover and have been hearing it for a long time, not news to me. That tells me that people were not performing their duties, not that my country doesn't deserve my support.

As for quoting Oscar Wilde, he was imprisoned for indecent public displays of homosexual behavior, he was cocaine addict for large parts of his life and typical of artistic people, had a few loose screws. So while I might enjoy Dorian Gray, I don't take my political advice from an addicted writer of century before last, whose view of today's politics would surely vary from then.
Oh, and to top it off, the "Avowed atheist", become a Catholic before he died, so his convictions were a bit shaky as well.
Want to dig up another source, I'll see what I can to to discredit it for you as well?

 

[pencero]

who cares what you have to say about this particular story. Dont make me go dig up the quote and context in which you said on this forum something to the effect of "I would continue to support [my political party] even if I knew it was doing people wrong because [of what they did for me in the past?] " proving your loyalty to and bias towards this establishment. Really I don't even need to dig up that incriminating quote because you said it again

Patriotism is the belief in and support of ones country, even when it isn't perfect.

which isnt exactly the same, except to someone else who is just browsing the story its a very convenient & dishonest thing to say because I never said anywhere on here - or anywhere period that I expect my country to be perfect. When I posted this story I was more trying to make this kind of statement if anything: Surely we can do better than this.

as for Oscar Wilde? I never quoted him and probably never would. Nice try attempting to 'discredit' me by falsely connecting me to some f-----t crackhead of the 18th century. All you really did is discredit yourself because it makes a person of the left reading this thread wonder why you are trying to discredit me when I really just posted the story to see how everyone feels about the story - not how everyone feels about me. The "Ask not what you can do for your country..." quote was said by a former president - lincoln JFK or Hoover I forget which. Even if a h* did say it, you attacked welfare in a previous thread and spoke against it saying that people shouldn't expect free things from the gov. , and in addition to that I would say when you admitted trying to discredit me by associating me with a homosexual you proved to be less democratic than you supposedly are. You proved by your statements in a previous threat that you do agree with the general direction of that particular quote.

when you say I'm 'ignorant of the truth' what are you even talking about? The story is true. Whatever bs you try to follow it up with doesnt change what happened or prove anything - besides - you would follow this establishment even if it was wrong because thats convenient for you isnt it true? Don't even bother visiting this particular thread anymore then since your tilt on what happened here is completely biased and you already admitted it. Whatever you would say about this issue is really just trying to rally support and recruit people to join your side. How can you even justify and be proud of being on the "who cares what happened to the dead peoples ashes because real estate is expensive" as opposed to the "surely we can do better than this" side of the issue.

Yeah go on and wait for the government to crucify whatever scapegoat they chose as fall guy for this incident. As if you really "dont believe" that at least 1 other person also knew about it when the conspiracy was being plotted - more likely 99 other people were involved. You claim you even heard about it yourself years ago. If I did quote a f*g at least it was coming from someone who's keeping it real as opposed to someone who's keeping it phony as hell.

 

[cdg1984]

wow pancero...i pretty much agree with you, but calling Osacr Wilde a "crackhead f-----t" makes you sound completly ignorant. Youre response is pretty ridiculous and just goes to show that youre not trying to do anything but stir sh*t up.

 

[Randy_W]

as for Oscar Wilde? I never quoted him and probably never would. Nice try attempting to 'discredit' me by falsely connecting me to some f-----t crackhead of the 18th century. All you really did is discredit yourself because it makes a person of the left reading this thread wonder why you are trying to discredit me when I really just posted the story to see how everyone feels about the story - not how everyone feels about me. The "Ask not what you can do for your country..." quote was said by a former president - lincoln JFK or Hoover I forget which. Even if a h* did say it, you attacked welfare in a previous thread and spoke against it saying that people shouldn't expect free things from the gov. , and in addition to that I would say when you admitted trying to discredit me by associating me with a homosexual you proved to be less democratic than you supposedly are. You proved by your statements in a previous threat that you do agree with the general direction of that particular quote.

Take a breath dude! Obviously you didn't quote Oscar Wilde, so obviously I wasn't talking to you, now breathe again.
Next, it was JFK who said the "Ask not..." quote.
Third, people shouldn't expect free things from the government, and they don't get them, they think they do, but people that pay taxes are the ones giving them their free stuff, the government is just the broker that skims their cut off the top. :wink: