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[megaladon6]

back to the beginning...the story does say that the next-of-kin gave permission for the service to dispose of the remains. therefore the only real issue is that the remains should have been incinerated, per health regulations.

edit:after doing some more reading, the remains were incinerated first. and they were not intact remains or bodies. they were body parts recovered after the solider had already been buried. and which the families had signed off that they did not want them.
so the real question is, if the family doesn't want the ashes, what does the military do with them?
the story has been sensationalized.
well, that part of it. there are other parts, like the lack of records and communication that are still at issue.
oh and lets keep in mind that this happened 3 years ago, the ashes are now "buried" at sea.

 

[pencero]

I'm skeptical, but I sincerely hope you are correct. Nowhere in this story did it say that the families signed off on this activity, but I really do hope that is how it really went down. Burial at sea is exactly what came into my mind when I was reading this story the 1st time. Much more apropriate and respectful than this alternative! It was just my opinion that even an atheist should be offended by the message this sends, but I'm sure not everybody was in the end.

 

[pontiacgp]

I'm skeptical, but I sincerely hope you are correct. Nowhere in this story did it say that the families signed off on this activity

2nd paragraph in the article you posted....do you not read what you comment on?

Air Force officials said that the dumping was hidden from families who had given authorization for the remains to be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner, according to the newspaper.

 

[CHRIS.O]

What's going to be questioned here is what does respectful and dignified mean. It is subjective to some. Personally, if the families signed off for an arm or leg or other pieces of the body to be disposed of then being incinerated and spread in a landfill isn't that bad of an option when thinking practicality first. I do believe the families should know how the remains are being disposed of and have an option to take care of it themselves.

 

[megaladon6]

being incinerated and spread in a landfill isn't that bad of an option when thinking practicality first.

exactly--the remains were treated as standard biowaste.

I do believe the families should know how the remains are being disposed of and have an option to take care of it themselves.

that is true though, it should have been made clear that the remains would simply be considered biowaste. if that had been done, i'm sure more families would have gone another route. but i don't think the military is guilty of improper behavior.

families who had given authorization for the remains to be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner, according to the newspaper.

FWIW i highly doubt the release papers actually said "respectful and dignified," they were most likely just standard release/authorization papers.

 

[pencero]

I dont have inside information about how this process is supposed to work. I suspect when families signed for the disposal of the remains they didnt all understand that they were signing for the remains to be sent to a dump, but then again I wasnt there. GP, just because somebody signed something doesnt mean they completely understood what they were signing. If the papers they signed didnt claim 'the remains will be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner' then the article is a complete lie! Thats totally plausible, but they are the 2nd or 3rd paper to report on the issue so thats highly unlikely. Stop perpetuating dishonesty sir. Your tilt on this case is suspect - you must have kin employed with the fed to be so interested in defending uncle sam on these accusations - whats in it for you?

 

[NY87SS]

A garbage dump and people are trying to find a defense reason!!
I could see a mass unknown site or something of that matter, but a garbage dump?
Actually I can see a garbage dump!!!!!!!!!
The worlds countries are run by the ultraconnectedrich and the governments are run by the people they put into place and that's what they have thought of everyone else for forever, GARBAGE. So I guess the shoe fits ideal came into play!
Patriotic for this country?
No, not since the 70's.
Would I fight for my property or town, YES, for the country and its politics as it stands now, NEVER!
You'd only be fighting and losing your life to make a group richer!!!
You know they still have not paid hundreds of families that lost someone in 911 due to the fact they say, hey he ran away with a new wife etc cause their is no proof they were in the building we blew up!!!

 

[megaladon6]

just because somebody signed something doesnt mean they completely understood what they were signing.

and that's their problem! obviously, the next-of-kin would be interested in how the disposal was carried out, but if they did not ask, then you really can not hold the military responsible.
you really need to remember that the media is out to make money, therefore they will slant their stories to make them appear greater/worse then reality. thats probably where the "respectful and dignified manner" comment came from. NOWHERE in the story is there any actual wording from the release forms.

Stop perpetuating dishonesty sir. Your tilt on this case is suspect - you must have kin employed with the fed to be so interested in defending uncle sam on these accusations - whats in it for you?

seriously? this is your response? because we don't agree with you, there's something in this for US?

 

[megaladon6]

question: if someone gets into a car accident, and loses a leg or arm, what do you think is done with that limb?

 

[pontiacgp]

GP, just because somebody signed something doesnt mean they completely understood what they were signing. If the papers they signed didnt claim 'the remains will be disposed of in a respectful and dignified manner' then the article is a complete lie! Thats totally plausible, but they are the 2nd or 3rd paper to report on the issue so thats highly unlikely. Stop perpetuating dishonesty sir. Your tilt on this case is suspect - you must have kin employed with the fed to be so interested in defending uncle sam on these accusations - whats in it for you?

Unlike yourself I do not look for excuses to attack the government. If someone who is employed by the gov does something that is unethical it is not the government's fault. To fault the government in that situation is just as incorrect as you judging anyone here who doesn't agree with the point you are trying the make as a member of a cult. As far as perpetuating dishonesty please point where you think I condone dishonesty and further you admit yourself you don't know what they even signed what the understanding was so you have no idea of any dishonesty has actually taken place.