The Poor Should Pay Higher Taxes

[srercrcr]

Woops, you messed up when you mentioned Texas.
Texas has no Income taxes, has a high sales tax (over 8% incl local, and high property taxes (unless you own land with cattle, in which case you pay about $50 a year, more of that damn socialism...income redistribution from the workers to the cattle barons and developers. . WAIT, Republicans voted in Socialism?? wtf!

 

[CaStylin]

I think all tax is bad, but I think government is evil, too!

In Florida we DON'T have income tax. We have a low sales tax (still under 7 percent) and low property taxes that are getting still lower. It's an easy formula for success; IF YOU LEAVE PEOPLE MORE OF THEIR OWN MONEY INSTEAD OF STEALING IT IN INCOME TAX, THEY ACTUALLY BUY MORE STUFF AND GENERATE MORE INCOME FOR THE GOVERNMENT VIA A SALES TAX.

This works. It works in Florida, Tennessee, and Texas that I know of. The real deal is that the Income tax is about power, not about getting money to help people. Florida gets more money to help people just with sales tax....

FL has VIT (I believe that’s what is called) tax right? The tax on the worth of property such as cars and boats that must be paid every year… I believe it its is the FL’s way of off setting the lack of state income tax and the low sales tax… as you stated TX also doesn’t have of the state tax but does have a 1.5% higher sales tax but no VIT (tax is only charged once upon purchase). Over all the FL tax payments are not much different if not more expensive then those states that don’t have state income taxes

Even though you hate taxes with out them we would be in chaos, unattained roads, no police force, no schools. Soon we would become no better off then third world country

Your argument against Christians in the settling of the west of the United States is also garbage. You don't state one single fact in your argument, NOT ONE. All you give is conjecture, and generalize by saying "missionaries" and other bull crap.

Wow… I never once blamed christens for the settling of west, I said they played there part along with the government. I guess just the posting of cited historical litature was not enough fact, the trail of tears (just like the holocaust) didn’t happen and there was not a movement by the christen church to “civilize” the American Indian

YOU NAME AN ESTABLISHED CHURCH THAT WAS DOING THIS. JUST ONE. You can't because this is revisionist liberal history.

Plenty of churches still partake in missionary practices in the US and over seas… I mean there is even a christen missionary alliance. To think that the effort to spread Christianity as the “right” religion has not happed and doesn’t continue to happen is blind. Governments and nations have had to step in to the conversion tactics (deliverances of food/goods) of the christen missionary to poorer nations because the goods/foods come with the necessity to attend and pray to the Christian god (much like the doings of the salvation Army). Let’s be sure to say that it is not just Christian religions partake in these things. The Catholic Church has a strong arm in this over seas and the missionary actions of the Jehovah witnesses can be seen daily (door to door) in the US .

The truth of the settling of the west is that the GOVERNMENT is directly to blame for what happened to Native Americans. The exact same idiots that you think are gonna fix your kids' education problem. If the government approves the text books then how do you expect the telling about the government to be fair?

The government played a large roll in the western movements of the US, but so did the christen missionary movement. By you stating the government approves text books so they would pick books that exclude government negatives being that 80+ percent of the government falls under the protestant or christen category wouldn’t the same logic be applied, omitting that that does not kindly represent them selves

Again I am also not asking for the government to fix schools and don’t expect them to, I have and will continue suggest a “bucket system” of public school funding… the government role would not change

Your arguments trying to refute what I have said are all communist garbage. Public school and higher education garbage. I make over 150k a year now because I am in a war zone. ANYONE can do this. I don't want to hear anyone else's sob stories.

Those non military out there get 100k driving a truck in combats climates, and some one who is in combat should get 150k a year, it is what is to be expected when your life is on the line. But other then your profession receiving 150k a year because you are in combat what other fields support those funds with out an education (mind you that you received an education/skill training while in the military)? Hate it or love it there are vary few that will get you above 35k a year and honestly that just isn’t enough. If you know nothing, then you can be nothing, you know basic math you can get a basic match job (McDonalds), you know basic labor you get a basic labor job, you know office items you get and office job.

Parents are responsible for their kids' upbringing. If they know they are in a bad place, why not move BEFORE kids come into the picture. I'm tired of hearing about the plight of helpless children. It's more communist garbage. Parents are to blame. It's time someone held them accountable. If I have to be that person then so be it.

All of these unfortunate situations are 100% preventable. People not wanting to take responsibility for any of it is the problem.

You are right, parents are responsible for the kids’ upbringings and situation; I say lets not punish or praise the child for the doings of his/her parents let them start off equal at at least the ability of schooling and let them dictate their future.

I am not here because of religion at all. I am here because so many ignorant people decided to blow up the world trade center with over 3000 innocent Americans inside. We came here to depose the government that fostered those maniacs. We did that. We can't just leave, because the people don't have a responsible government to look to for aid if we go. If we leave the bad people will just come back from Pakistan and hurt these people again. AND THEN THEY WILL HURT US AGAIN. That is why I am here.

Who said you where there because of religion? I said you where there because of your beliefs, nothing more, and nothing less so why did you bring it to religion. Beliefs span far beyond any set religion. As you said you are there to protect American as it is your belief that you can help and as I said before, some beliefs are worth dieing for

Sorry if you can't see the truth. You have government paid for "free" blinders on. It's not your fault that you were manipulated by them; it will be your fault if you hear the opposing view point and you don't freely investigate the truth. You are blind and being led by evil men.

I set in my office (post with you), drive my car, pay my mortgage, watch my big screen, read my books, pay my taxes, and attend graduate school all because it is the life I have chosen, have no commitments or standing with either side to the political system which I feel allows me blinder free take on most things.. Does the government do a good job at every thing… hell no, are all there policies right, hell no. is the purpose of a government for the greater good of the people it governs, yes!, am I willing to help my government help those who want to help them selves, yes!

In the end all I can do is provide cited articles (not basis commentary), links and what not to allow you to read information that you

I have provided document that there where missionary efforts in the 1700-1800’s by the christen church, I have provided document from christen sources that christen missionary actions still happen. On that aspect it is now up to you to decide if there is truth to it be you must first read them instead of denouncing them because they show religion in a possibly negative view. It is the christen belief that they have the supreme god and all others are to be false. In the OT it rights of many of the punishments of those who decide not to fallow, in the NT it speaks of the need to bring them to the goodness of god (i.e. conversion by spread of biblical word) If there are sections of any of the items I submitted the feel free to bring them into discussion to expose their false hood

Last but not least, you have this notion that I want more government assistance in education, on the first page of this I stated that was not the fact and continue to correct your statement in every post. The government has its functions but neither party has done anything to prevent the actions that have taken place in the last 10 years. You complain about the dems tax system as it stand but it has remained this way almost 100 years now, I am new to the board but I don’t see negative comments toward the last administration which foster the same happenings that are the base of our current government.

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Florida has property taxes and sales taxes. vehicle registration fees are less than $50 a year, and there are no vehicle inspections of any kind. Property taxes are done more at the local level than the state, and at least for my house they are about $500 a year IIRC. My county has the local option tax which makes the sales tax 7% vs the 6% state only tax. However, the voters have a choice to eliminate the 1% local option sales tax when it sunsets. There is also no state income tax.

I use the lax regulations in my state to be able to live inexpensively. For me, transportation regulations are a significant impediment to my ability to make a living as at present, I deliver pizza while trying to finish college and move on with my life. If my cars had to pass inspection they likely would not be permitted on the road. While my truck may not have a CEL on (and it checks clean enough to pass a test with my scanner), I doubt it's original, 321k mile catalytic converter is very efficient anymore. I have also disconnected the airbag fuse as a fault in the system made the light blink, and pulling the fuse makes it stay on solid which is less distracting. I can't afford to fix my truck as is, and any state regulations forcing me to fix these items would put me out of work. I make ends meet by exploiting the holes in the system. Patch up those holes and I can't afford to live. I often think of this line from the second Mad Max film to describe my life:" You're a scavenger Max! Living off the corpse of the old world!". Florida is a great place to exist in the margins, or to escape the punitive taxation of other states.

Did you know that 50,000 residents of New York City pay 50% of the total tax revenue of the city? Keep in mind that that is 50k out of 8 million people. That is not very fair, and is why people are starting to leave places like New York and California in large numbers to move to places like Florida. That is why I live here instead of New York, which is where I am originally from. I love many things about New York, but it is sadly a state in decline due to the mess up in Albany that tries to be too many things to too many people.

As for charity, I have no issues with charities and like them very much. They are how I see things being in an ideal world where people who have help others in need. However, the more taxes you place on people, the less money they have to give to help those in need. Plus, government agencies are notoriously inefficient in how they spend their money. I think the figure is somewhere north of 70% of the money government spends to help the poor and needy goes into administrative costs and not to the actual recipients themselves. That is the way that government works though. It is never very efficient as compared to private entities.

 

[KrisW]

I don't know what VIT is and I certainly don't pay it. I am a citizen of Florida and all I pay are property and sales tax. My car registration is dirt cheap, too, and unregulated.

Once again, you are saying things that aren't true about Christians. The US Government does not and has not acted on behalf of Christians. They act in their own interest. The government caused the trail of tears. You're going to have to come to grips at some point with the fact that Christians are not to blame for the world's problems or those of the Native Americans. Most Christians would not do anything but help anyone else. Your research doesn't lead anywhere coherent at all.

I received skills in the military, sure. When I got out I was working as a mechanic with tons of other guys who never joined the military and some who never even finished high school. We all made between 15k and 50k per year. The amount depends on how good you are at your job. Your education theory is bunk as well. You don't need formal (school type) education to get paid well. You need to learn as you grow older, that is all you need. The guys who didn't go to the military like me, they started out sweeping the floor in the shop. Now we wake the same money. When I am in the states, I typically pull between 40k - 50k per year. It's plenty to live on in Florida. It's not enough for California or New York. Guess why? Taxes. Taxes cause the cost of living to rise.

 

[srercrcr]

Maybe cause FL doesn't have anything.....flat, sandy, humid, hot. Except for the palm trees, I thought I was on Mercury!

 

[KrisW]

You're nuts! Florida has the best of everything!

We have sun, sand and water! We have thick green foliage and trees everywhere!

The wastelands are out west, my friend. Florida is paradise on earth. I live in central Florida so I don't have horrible summers like the Caribbean or the tropics. I also don't have crappy ice and snow in the winter time. Most of the year is motorcycle weather. It's great!

 

[srercrcr]

Have you been all over Calif? Have you been all over New York state?
And you have the audacity to compare Florida to either? Unless all you care about is a motorcycle and a strip of asphalt.

 

[CaStylin]

I don't know what VIT is and I certainly don't pay it. I am a citizen of Florida and all I pay are property and sales tax. My car registration is dirt cheap, too, and unregulated.

You are correct, FL is not a state with VIT, i believed it was which is why there was a question mark at the end of that sentience

Once again, you are saying things that aren't true about Christians. The US Government does not and has not acted on behalf of Christians. They act in their own interest. The government caused the trail of tears. You're going to have to come to grips at some point with the fact that Christians are not to blame for the world's problems or those of the Native Americans. Most Christians would not do anything but help anyone else. Your research doesn't lead anywhere coherent at all.

Who blames Christians for the world’s problems? Certainly not I as stated in any of my writings; each religion has its good and bad, its harm and help. You can’t believe that in the history of Christianity that there haven’t been there ups and downs... I guess Rome just handed itself over at the modern “birth” of Christianity. The OT and NT both speak of religious war and conversion and the necessity for it. As for missionary work. I can find and list dozens and dozens of churches (including many I’ve been too) that believe that it is the purpose to spread the word of god not only to those in there area but those across seas and work with other churches to fund and send many on these missions. I would think the Christian missionary alliance would be evidence enough that missionary work is real, current and relevant, I was browsing some of the christen papers (as I normally do) and ran across an article written by a church member recounting his experiences as a child with missionary work and the need for increased missionary work in the US to save its people… I will find the link and post it up for you as I feel it is an interesting self account of current missionary work

I received skills in the military, sure. When I got out I was working as a mechanic with tons of other guys who never joined the military and some who never even finished high school. We all made between 15k and 50k per year. The amount depends on how good you are at your job. Your education theory is bunk as well. You don't need formal (school type) education to get paid well. You need to learn as you grow older, that is all you need. The guys who didn't go to the military like me, they started out sweeping the floor in the shop. Now we wake the same money. When I am in the states, I typically pull between 40k - 50k per year. It's plenty to live on in Florida. It's not enough for California or New York. Guess why? Taxes. Taxes cause the cost of living to rise.

15k is considered to be the working poor A.K.A barely surviving and with a family all I can do is manage on 50K a year in TX (a state very similar in all financial to FL). You can call it greedy but I would prefer to have the joys in life and not have to live paycheck by paycheck. You say that education is not necessary, I will agree with you, it is not necessary if you want 15k - 50k a year, 50k abnormal and close to the concrete ceiling. I’m saying that education is necessary to allow you to do better then just manage. I believe education will open up doors that aren’t available to those who are not as educated. Other then the military as the upper outreach of the financial scale there are few legal choices with out an education (weather formal or informal) that will allow such earnings

 

[1986montecarlols]

cutty

i agree with all your saying, thats why I rarely post in these things because you usually get my point across. heres what grinds my gears at the moment. Heres my problems as well.

A friend if you wanna call him one, lives in his parents basement hes 22 right now, just took a buyout from delphi he worked there for 2 years. He got 40K, if that isnt enough hes also going to get 750 every 2 weeks now for around close to 2 years. If im correct theres 52 weeks in a year. So at 2 years teh govern. just wasted 78,000 on this kid. Oh it gets better, he claims the 40K will be used on schooling, even though thats just a boldfaced lie. ALl he does now on his 2 year vacation is play golf, drink, gamble, sit in his basement. He is not actively seeking another job. WHY would he ? he worked so hard like me, and the rest of the world. What id like to know is where the **** is my 78K worth of unemployment. Ive worked for 5 years. This is why ill never support gov. help of any sort other then the most needy. The ones who deserve it, Dont get it. Oh another thing, the guy im talking about it so stupid, he didnt even know what a CV shaft is, or what it goes on. I got in a big argument with him once, I told him he didnt deserve the job he was given. He quoted I was given this job. I earned it. I laughed because he worked meijer food store a super marker here in michigan 2 weeks, and a nike outlet for lke month before quitting because the money was not enough. He got the job because his aunt was a high up manager at hte local delphi plant. hte other day he wouldnt even give me the 5 bucks he owed me. telling me he wated to knock me out He claimed he bought me a lot of sh*t over the years fast food and ec. I claimed yeah well I picked up your *ss from our college when you were drunk and woudl have been pickd up by the police that ended that argument.

 

[1986montecarlols]

another example is

my brother, this one is to a much lesser extent however, he has worked for a local manufacturer of car parts for close to 8 years. He made decent money. But last summer was laid off because of the ecoonmy. Since he made decent money he now gets over 700 every 2 weeks from unemployment services. Due to the great obama, he will now get another year of extensions for his hard earned work. he has already been on it for a year now out of work. He is supposedly 3 people down the line from being called back to work. THe point im making here again, he is not even trying to find work. He complains about his face breaking out, not having healthcare, heres my resolution, get off your *ss you sorry SOB and get a ****ing job, get healthcare provided and stop bitching, today I came home to take a shower after work, hes in there showering then pickin at his face trying to fix it. I said hey our mom with a stroke needs to get in there, and I do too, quit pickin at your ****ing face. He stormed out bitching just be happy you dont have these problems, obviously he would not have these problems if hed get off his *ss. Its as if he thinks companies dont fall apart and the gov. should pay for everything in times of need which i believe is bullshit. I admit I once had unemployment when I got fired, I to did not seek out work, my ticket however was I was going to school fulltime, I am not saying I am any better then him though. I am also not saying that unemplyment wages should be elimnated either. They need to be drastically cut back is all.