Too Loud for NYC: Coming to Your Town Soon.

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All these arguments may be fine and well where YOU live, but try sleeping here in Shitty City. These asshats seem to emerge between 1 and 3 AM to drive around sounding like a retarded machine gun. Not just loud, but backfiring and exploding like crazy. It sucks!!! Then add the gigawatt powered amp and subwoofer equipped morons that think everyone wants to hear their (fill in the ethnicity) crappy "music" at a million decibels. I say don't stop there. Let me set up a spike strip so I can activate it by remote control!
 
All these arguments may be fine and well where YOU live, but try sleeping here in Shitty City. These asshats seem to emerge between 1 and 3 AM to drive around sounding like a retarded machine gun. Not just loud, but backfiring and exploding like crazy. It sucks!!! Then add the gigawatt powered amp and subwoofer equipped morons that think everyone wants to hear their (fill in the ethnicity) crappy "music" at a million decibels. I say don't stop there. Let me set up a spike strip so I can activate it by remote control!
And that's one of the many reasons I hate NYC, and really any major city for that matter.
 
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All these arguments may be fine and well where YOU live, but try sleeping here in Shitty City. These asshats seem to emerge between 1 and 3 AM to drive around sounding like a retarded machine gun. Not just loud, but backfiring and exploding like crazy. It sucks!!! Then add the gigawatt powered amp and subwoofer equipped morons that think everyone wants to hear their (fill in the ethnicity) crappy "music" at a million decibels. I say don't stop there. Let me set up a spike strip so I can activate it by remote control!

Here... let me help you visualize your problem:

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Those bright lights are filled with high concentrations of dim bulbs.
 
6th ammendment.
It never even came to that. It was a town of about 3,800 people that a piece of I-95 encroached so local law enforcement had jurisdiction. Ridgeland, SC to be exact. Between Charleston and Savannah. There was already a state ban on photographic evidence tickets only, but the town tried to exploit what they felt was a loophole and said that a law officer was monitoring the system, so it didn't apply. That prompted the state congress to pass a new law saying no photo only evidence, no mail tickets, and an officer had to physically serve stuff like speeding tickets within 60 minutes of a moving violation (unless the offender was a car crash or something, then time limit didn't apply). I didn't read the whole bill, but that was the core takeaway. The company pushed the camera ticket thing on the town to use it, and collected $25 per an AVERAGE of $133 per ticket. Law enforcement for profit. In 9 months, that town issued 10,000 tickets on that stretch of I-95 (and simple math says that iTraffic company made a quarter million $$ in that time period from that one town). Needless to say, the state legislature wasn't impressed and deemed that stretch a speed trap, and pulled out any ambiguity of the current law. They didn't want that crap to spread to other towns in SC and abused as a revenue generator.

SC does a lot of stupid sh*t, but in this case, I think they did the right thing.
 
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Nope, there is actually a video of a Tesla that a guy programmed to fart thru the speakers when the turn signals were used. It was a joke he pulled on his dad IIRC.
Oh, sorry. I misunderstood which comment. I thought you meant motorheadmike 's comment of 'nobody to blame but yourselves' comment. That's the one I was referencing.
 
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I hope just about every mustang owner gets those tickets.... that obnoxiously loud exhaust you can hear a block away just on light throttle alone!
 
It never even came to that. It was a town of about 3,800 people that a piece of I-95 encroached so local law enforcement had jurisdiction. Ridgeland, SC to be exact. Between Charleston and Savannah. There was already a state ban on photographic evidence tickets only, but the town tried to exploit what they felt was a loophole and said that a law officer was monitoring the system, so it didn't apply. That prompted the state congress to pass a new law saying no photo only evidence, no mail tickets, and an officer had to physically serve stuff like speeding tickets within 60 minutes of a moving violation (unless the offender was a car crash or something, then time limit didn't apply). I didn't read the whole bill, but that was the core takeaway. The company pushed the camera ticket thing on the town to use it, and collected $25 per an AVERAGE of $133 per ticket. Law enforcement for profit. In 9 months, that town issued 10,000 tickets on that stretch of I-95 (and simple math says that iTraffic company made a quarter million $$ in that time period from that one town). Needless to say, the state legislature wasn't impressed and deemed that stretch a speed trap, and pulled out any ambiguity of the current law. They didn't want that crap to spread to other towns in SC and abused as a revenue generator.

SC does a lot of stupid sh*t, but in this case, I think they did the right thing.
What’s the rationale of the SC legislature to ban these camera speed monitoring devices?

Asking as it seems that they are helping public safety. And opposing them seems that the legislature is not.
 
What’s the rationale of the SC legislature to ban these camera speed monitoring devices?

Asking as it seems that they are helping public safety. And opposing them seems that the legislature is not.
Not 100% sure of the exact reason of why they did what they did so I looked it up. Turns out it may be as simple as "because someone asked for permission instead of forgiveness." 🙂 They can still get you for toll booth violations or in states of emergency on an e-ticket thing, however.

Basically, if a person needs to be charged for a violation, it needs to follow state law or state Constitution. Not just make up local laws to allow civil e-tickets for speeding, according to a 2006 opinion of the then-SC Attorney General. The ironic thing about that is, the state's AG in 2006 just happened to be the CURRENT GOVERNOR of SC, Henry McMaster. Thus, I doubt if any changes come soon to that deal. Although, if the state legislature changes their minds one day after McMaster is gone...

In part, in an opinion written by Sr. Asst. AG Charles Richardson, on behalf of the AG office, to a letter to the Beaufort county Sheriff asking about E-ticketing back then. It's seemingly the basis for how the current law is constructed. It seemed that the state didn't want municipalities authorizing e-ticket camera use and turning traffic tickets from misdemeanors into civil violations without issuing points off licenses and such but still collecting money, in violation of state Constitution as there were already state laws on the books covering speeding tickets/penalties:
Therefore, political subdivisions are free to adopt an ordinance as long as such ordinance is not inconsistent with or repugnant to general laws of the State.
As to your question of whether it would be legal for a law enforcement agency to send citations to a registered owner by certified mail, no State law authorizes the use of such process. I am enclosing copies of two prior opinions dated March 19, 1996 and October 3 1,2002 in which the practice of using photo-radar technology to catch speeders was reviewed. The 1996 opinion comments that the General Assembly is the appropriate authority to authorize the use of a photo radar system.

A full pdf copy of that actual letter if anyone GAF: http://thenewspaper.com/rlc/docs/2009/sc-cameraag.pdf

I went and looked up the current statute piece as to what it actually says about pic ticks in SC. Here it is, para E., Section 56-5-70. (discussion point bolded by me)

(E) Citations for violating a local ordinance or the traffic laws relating to speeding or disregarding traffic control devices based in whole or in part on photographic evidence, whether gathered in conjunction with radar speed detection devices and whether the camera or other electronic device capturing the photographic evidence was attended or unattended at the time it captured the photographic evidence, only may be issued for violations that occur while relief from regulations pursuant to 49 C.F.R. 390.23 has been granted due to an emergency. A person who receives a citation for violating traffic laws relating to speeding or disregarding traffic control devices based in whole or in part on photographic evidence must be served in person with notice of the violation within one hour of the occurrence of the violation unless a collision occurred and fault cannot be determined immediately or the party who caused the collision is not immediately accessible due to medical treatment. The provisions of this subsection do not apply to toll collection enforcement.
which coincides with Section 56-7-20, about ticketing the operator (I bolded discussion point)
Each ticket shall have a unique identifying number. Each printed copy must be labeled at the bottom with the purpose of the copy. A handwritten traffic ticket must consist of four copies, one of which must be blue and must be given to the vehicle operator who is the alleged traffic violator; one of which must be yellow and must be dispatched to the Department of Motor Vehicles for its records and for audit purposes; one of which must be white and must be dispatched to the police agency of which the arresting officer is a part; and one of which must be green and must be retained by the trial officer for his records. An electronic traffic ticket must consist of at least one printed copy that must be given to the vehicle operator who is the alleged traffic violator and as many as three additional printed copies if needed to communicate with the Department of Motor Vehicles, the police agency, and the trial officer.

With the law in current form, you can't authorize or issue e-tickets in a SC town without state lawmaker's passing a law to authorize it. Plus, nobody liked the idea of this camera company who was running the mail ticket deal was doing a LEO's job, without actually being a LEO. They stood to make profits off of auto-generating tickets that didn't all go to the town's coffers. Slippery slope sort of stuff. The fuzzy part was that iTraffic was run by the same guy who had a similar company that was bankrupted just a few years earlier. You're ticketing the license plate, not the violator who is driving because you can't positively ID the perpetrator from the back. I guess it'd be like being responsible for your kid's actions...when he's 32. Even in murder cases, if you can't ID who did the crime, you can't make a valid arrest. Boiled down- If catching speeders and slowing traffic/safety is the goal, get your azz out there and park along the highway and do the job.

I believe there was a guy out in Phoenix, Arizona several years ago that was zipping around speeding getting his picture taken with a gorilla mask. I think they eventually got him, but he confounded them many times and made them spend considerable resources just to positively ID him via stakeouts. They probably spent more to find him than he had in tickets.
 
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