Torque! Rocket power vs LS power

[87National]

Many, but not all LS guys develop unwarranted self importance and go around and badger any non LS guys, derail threads, and other BS.

You are imagining things. Go read any thread started by a new member asking about ls swapping a gbody. They all play out the same.....a handful of guys who have never ls swapped anything spouting false claims, hassling them about keeping the car Olds powered etc....

 

[87National]

Lower cost is pretty subjective. Juse to tune a LS requires $650+ software vs $15 in basic hand tools

It depends.........with a stockish setup, a mail order tune is ~$75. It goes up from there (dyno tune, hptuners, aftermarket ecm, etc.)

As I mentioned earlier.....it all depends on your objectives......if you want multi-port fuel injection and good flowing aluminum heads....those are essentially free with the LS vs $1,000's more with an Olds.

 

[olds307 and 403]

Unfortunately Mark has been building motors like this. No where near stock. It is a stock 350 Olds gas block🤩
Finished a 434 Stroker a couple of weeks ago;
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4.00” Stroker crank
Eagle I beams
Gen 2 Edelbrocks with bowl cleanup
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HS 5016 roller rockers
91 pump gas
34* timing

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

It depends.........with a stockish setup, a mail order tune is ~$75. It goes up from there (dyno tune, hptuners, aftermarket ecm, etc.)

As I mentioned earlier.....it all depends on your objectives......if you want multi-port fuel injection and good flowing aluminum heads....those are essentially free with the LS vs $1,000's more with an Olds.

But canned tunes are sub par. Expecting some mail away guy who has not personally seen your car let alone having familiarity with your random combination of parts to hit the nail on the head is siliy. Even canned tunes stil, require a $400 hand held programer. Both good carb and EFI tuning requires to physically tune the engine in person. For old carbed engines this ability is essentially free, for an EFI motor its going to be a few hundred or much more.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

You are imagining things. Go read any thread started by a new member asking about ls swapping a gbody. They all play out the same.....a handful of guys who have never ls swapped anything spouting false claims, hassling them about keeping the car Olds powered etc....

I seen plenty of threads including this one on this and other car forums where LS guys bad mouth anything that isn't LS and insult guys who remain with classic hardware. Also seen plenty of LS guys making false claims against classic engines, carburetors, etc. I have been personally insulted more than once by LS guys for staying SBC. Also seen plenty of SBC threads where LS guys barge in and state "just LS swap it." Its so common that there are even memes about it.

The truth is there are heroes and villains on both sides of the argument.

 

[L92 OLDS]

But canned tunes are sub par. Expecting some mail away guy who has not personally seen your car let alone having familiarity with your random combination of parts to hit the nail on the head is siliy. Even canned tunes stil, require a $400 hand held programer. Both good carb and EFI tuning requires to physically tune the engine in person. For old carbed engines this ability is essentially free, for an EFI motor its going to be a few hundred or much more.

I paid $250 for a baseline tune. This got the car running and driving. I went back for a dyno tune @ another $250 which included a road test and tune. $500 all in. I modified the factory harness myself. If you’re paying more you’re getting ripped off.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

So a $1,000 just for tuning. 🤢

That is 4 times as much as a good tuned Qjet from Cliff Ruggles or Sean Murphy, both of whom can get a carb engine to run as smooth as EFI, a dying art sad to say.

 

[olds307 and 403]

To be fair a wideband is best to tune a carb, only around $200. I have Qjet I built with parts and recommendations from Cliff and I am getting a AEM wideband to tune it bang on. I don't see why 20 mpg is possible on my old worthless junk

 

[ck80]

A better comparison would be how the Star Wars fanbase is similar to the G body fanbase in that both are splintered into many fractions that bicker and fight with each other. For a small example you got the old timers who only like the original films, thde new guys....

The G body fanbase is similar, you got Olds guys, Chevy guys, Turbo Buicks guys,,etc. Thd LS swap fanboy8s are the newest fraction

So what I'm pulling out of this is that the ls fanboys are basically the jarjar binks crowd?.?.

Makes sense, and, appears about right. I'd prefer Luke "sbc" Skywalker, Han "poncho" Solo, Chewy "Olds", and Leah "Buick" Organa. All going up against Darth "Ford" Vader and Emperor "Shelby" Palpatine. Even Lando "Hemi" Calrissian makes his appearance.

But JarJar "LS" Binks? Meh, not for me.

 

[87National]

But canned tunes are sub par. Expecting some mail away guy who has not personally seen your car let alone having familiarity with your random combination of parts to hit the nail on the head is siliy. Even canned tunes stil, require a $400 hand held programer. Both good carb and EFI tuning requires to physically tune the engine in person. For old carbed engines this ability is essentially free, for an EFI motor its going to be a few hundred or much more.

As mentioned.....for a stock cam, daily driver that you are not trying to squeeze every last hp out of......a mail order tune is just fine. If you have multiple LS powered vehicles, you buy hptuners once and have the incremental cost of ~$100 in credits for each vehicle you tune. Either way.....not going to break the bank.