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What your "Expert friend" is refering to is that 82 GNs and all Hursts and 442s werent all built at once and that each car isnt sequential meaning Hurst or GN #1 could have (and do) a higher sequential number than #2, #3, #4 etc.. they mofified 15 to 30 cars a day and pulled them randomly off the lot after they were delivered to C&C, it has nothing to do with random "placement" of VINs on the car... is that what youre reffering to?pontiacgp said:
The VIN was most likely stamped during the assembly process just before it was assembled to the body, I know they did that to the motors, that is why they are always stamped unevenly.pontiacgp said:
I figured it had to be there someplace. I know for a fact that this practice existed back in "the day" (68-72) and maybe before that. It would be illogical for them to just stop doing it.
Where do you think the term "numbers matching" comes from? It means the frame matches the body matches the engine, transmission and whatever else is punched with those same numbers....
Where do you think the term "numbers matching" comes from? It means the frame matches the body matches the engine, transmission and whatever else is punched with those same numbers....
here's the link to a site for hurst olds and 442's
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofhos.htm
and here's the info for the 1983 Authentication and no where does it say there is any vin other than what's in the lower corner of the windshield. You can check any other site dedicated to Hurst Olds and none of them I have seen says anything about vin's other than what you see in the corner of the windshield.
1983:
Authentication:
The VIN "9" engine code shows it is a 442.
'83 H/O carb is 17083553.
Look for option code W-40 (H/O) and W-42 (442) on the build sheet or the service sticker (in trunk lid).
Sometimes (and I say this because they DIDN'T always put them on) there is a little cowl tag on or under the hood. This will also have the W-42 option listed on it. The Arlington assembly plant said that if they had them when the car was built, they put them on, but if not, oh well. That's because they were wanting to go strictly with the trunk lid mounted service sticker.
It better have the dual snorkel intake with a chrome lid.
Also, check the transmission code "OZ"on the passenger side of the transmission.
This item is indigenous ONLY to the 1983 to 1987 Hurst/442. Look for a "kickdown" switch above the gas pedal. This looks like the old Turbo 400 passing gear detent switch with a little slide switch activated at full throttle. This is actually the full throttle A/C compressor clutch cutout switch. It cuts out the A/C clutch when it's mashed to the floor.
Also, check to see if the tire pressure sticker is still on the driver's door, it will list 215/65/15 as the tire size, again, ONLY on the Hurst/442 in those years.
Engine Specs:
Rocket 307
Transmissions:
Rear Axles:
Performance Data:
No data.
15th Anniversary model, Lightning Rod Shifter introduced. 3000 or 3001 were built. Color available was black with silver.
http://www.442.com/oldsfaq/ofhos.htm
and here's the info for the 1983 Authentication and no where does it say there is any vin other than what's in the lower corner of the windshield. You can check any other site dedicated to Hurst Olds and none of them I have seen says anything about vin's other than what you see in the corner of the windshield.
1983:
Authentication:
The VIN "9" engine code shows it is a 442.
'83 H/O carb is 17083553.
Look for option code W-40 (H/O) and W-42 (442) on the build sheet or the service sticker (in trunk lid).
Sometimes (and I say this because they DIDN'T always put them on) there is a little cowl tag on or under the hood. This will also have the W-42 option listed on it. The Arlington assembly plant said that if they had them when the car was built, they put them on, but if not, oh well. That's because they were wanting to go strictly with the trunk lid mounted service sticker.
It better have the dual snorkel intake with a chrome lid.
Also, check the transmission code "OZ"on the passenger side of the transmission.
This item is indigenous ONLY to the 1983 to 1987 Hurst/442. Look for a "kickdown" switch above the gas pedal. This looks like the old Turbo 400 passing gear detent switch with a little slide switch activated at full throttle. This is actually the full throttle A/C compressor clutch cutout switch. It cuts out the A/C clutch when it's mashed to the floor.
Also, check to see if the tire pressure sticker is still on the driver's door, it will list 215/65/15 as the tire size, again, ONLY on the Hurst/442 in those years.
Engine Specs:
Rocket 307
Transmissions:
Rear Axles:
Performance Data:
No data.
15th Anniversary model, Lightning Rod Shifter introduced. 3000 or 3001 were built. Color available was black with silver.
454muscle said:
You might like to go to Russia and do this yourself and see how you get on.......
Producing a large wad of Roubles might help.........
Tony has a unique problem because of where he lives, help the guy find alternative vin locations, telling the cop to shove things up his *ss seems like a short cut to losing his car and possibly his liberty as well.
Don't forget Russia has a ratio of prisoners😛opulation not much better than the USA.
Roger.
pontiacgp said:
Seriously?
Thats your reasoning...
You quoting and relighing on 442.com for correct information is the funniest thing so far...
442.com has no merit in the Oldsmobile world an the fact that you would religh on ANY website for being a factual sole source for final say set in stone correct information disturbs me no offence. Its the internet... Id have a giant 3ft wang if I believed every spam email Ive gotten :lol:
Now granted their information is somewhat correct, but its also incomplete and states NOTHING about VIN placement being on the cowl, RPO tag or Door sticker which are the three most obvious.
That is why discussion forums exist, to share information that is uncommon and to spread knowledge.
Its not a full 17 digit stamp, but neither is the motor, axle, trans and your source makes no mention to those...
Unless you are citing General Motors any other source is just speculative and incomplete.
Proof is in the photo... end of discussion.
You seem to think because one car has part of the vin number stamped on part of the frame proves that all cars have a vin stamped in that location. How about you put your car on a lift and with a flashlite and mirror see if your car has part of the vin stamped there. If the hurst olds does have a vin there then it would be important to know cause that I think would raise the value of the car. The problem of suggesting they all have the vin marked on the frame could create problems trying to sell an authentic hurst olds if there is no identification stamped on the frame and someone thinks it has to have a vin marked there. Your mistaken that I want to argue about this when I would just like to find out if they do or don't. So you can go ahead and laugh if it makes you feel good....
I don't know if its just me being paranoid, but does anybody else find it strange that "noobs" keep coming on and asking where to find VIN # :?:
Dude, why are you beating this into the ground? I thought this was common knowledge. Just because a Russian cop doesn't know where to look, doesn't mean its not there somewhere... Just google "Frame VIN Locations" and see what comes up. Here are some examples. I'm starting to wonder if you're just trolling for trolling's sake at this point.
http://gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171957
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=22073
http://www.v8s10.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4063
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273554
http://www.chevellestuff.com/qd/partial_vin.htm
You've got the obvious 68-72 crowd here, an '82 truck, and a '90 truck. All GM. All VIN's on the frame and other locations. Couldn't find any Gbody references, but do you really think GM would just abandon this practice solely for one particular platform for just a few years? I even find references to this going back as far as '55. You may not have noticed it, it may have corroded off of the obvious locations, might be up inside somewhere, or covered up with scale and dirt and crap, but it will be there.
I bet the Russian cop heard that it should be "under the seat", when in fact it should be somewhere on the top of the frame in that general area. Short of separating the body from the frame and crawling up in there to check, hoping that it hasn't scaled over with rust and junk, I dunno what else to say....
http://gmfullsize.com/forum/showthread.php?t=171957
http://www.v8buick.com/showthread.php?t=22073
http://www.v8s10.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=42&t=4063
http://www.chevelles.com/forums/showthread.php?t=273554
http://www.chevellestuff.com/qd/partial_vin.htm
You've got the obvious 68-72 crowd here, an '82 truck, and a '90 truck. All GM. All VIN's on the frame and other locations. Couldn't find any Gbody references, but do you really think GM would just abandon this practice solely for one particular platform for just a few years? I even find references to this going back as far as '55. You may not have noticed it, it may have corroded off of the obvious locations, might be up inside somewhere, or covered up with scale and dirt and crap, but it will be there.
I bet the Russian cop heard that it should be "under the seat", when in fact it should be somewhere on the top of the frame in that general area. Short of separating the body from the frame and crawling up in there to check, hoping that it hasn't scaled over with rust and junk, I dunno what else to say....
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