Volkswagen/Audi Emission Scam
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http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...dal-as-prosecutors-come-calling/?intcmp=hpbt3
"Volkswagen has now admitted that it intentionally installed software programmed to switch engines to a cleaner mode during official emissions testing. The software then switches off again, enabling cars to drive more powerfully on the road while emitting as much as 40 times the legal pollution limit."
"Volkswagen has now admitted that it intentionally installed software programmed to switch engines to a cleaner mode during official emissions testing. The software then switches off again, enabling cars to drive more powerfully on the road while emitting as much as 40 times the legal pollution limit."
GM is taking away the switchblade key from Pontiac G8 owners, and giving back a huge fixed key that is a stab in the thigh waiting to happen because the lawyers are worried that a driver's knee can trip the ignition off while rolling. Many G8 owners are refusing the 'recall'. It will come back to haunt them if they try to sell the car, as a new federal law holds a seller liable for making sure all recalls have been executed.
I'm wondering how many diesel vee-dub owners try to keep driving the 'powerful' version of their cars until the Fed comes and takes it out of their driveway to return it to the neutered emissions-compliant version. I bet resale value of these cars plummeted with VW stock prices...on the other hand, they are reliable and high mpg - many may just elect to keep them forever.
In the end, it was Joe Carbuyer that was cheated by VW touting its 'sophisticated' engineering to deliver a high-mpg that was not gutless like some early-80's Oldsmobiles...I drove one once and pushed the pedal down with no change in speed or RPM. Just an inky black smoke screen out the back worthy of James Bond. Now the VW owner is stuck with an 'illegal' product.
I'm wondering how many diesel vee-dub owners try to keep driving the 'powerful' version of their cars until the Fed comes and takes it out of their driveway to return it to the neutered emissions-compliant version. I bet resale value of these cars plummeted with VW stock prices...on the other hand, they are reliable and high mpg - many may just elect to keep them forever.
In the end, it was Joe Carbuyer that was cheated by VW touting its 'sophisticated' engineering to deliver a high-mpg that was not gutless like some early-80's Oldsmobiles...I drove one once and pushed the pedal down with no change in speed or RPM. Just an inky black smoke screen out the back worthy of James Bond. Now the VW owner is stuck with an 'illegal' product.
What is your thought on what is going to happen with vw/audi I mean down here the euro scene is massive
No lives were lost, just an unmeasurable effect on the environment. I highly doubt VW will see a fine anywhere close to GM's in which the ignition switch shutoff killed quite a few voters. New VW diesels, however, just went the way of domestic convertibles in 1972...
My friend in Germany tells me he is not allowed to drive his restored 1960's diesel Mercedes in any of the larger towns and cities due to non-compliance with recent emissions rules.
My friend in Germany tells me he is not allowed to drive his restored 1960's diesel Mercedes in any of the larger towns and cities due to non-compliance with recent emissions rules.
I have to admire the cleverness of writing code that based on the engine monitoring itself and retaining its history -- I imagine probably over a number of run/stop cycles -- the ECU would recognize "hey, I'm being subjected to an emissions test" and initiate the proper subroutine ... and then I wonder how the source code looks, of whether this subroutine is blatantly there (with comments?) or somehow hidden throughout ... I don't condone the execution but the idea makes me smile
You have to remember the GM "settlement" doesn't settle everything -- it doesn't cover some civil litigation from affected owners and there's something about a delay in prosecution -- but I agree the final (negotiated) fine for VW will be less than that for GM because it wouldn't look good to indirectly cheapen human life by making VW pay more than GM.
Curious as to what the internal VW investigation will reveal,as well ... in GM's case, (to me) it appears there were a lot of working groups formed to determine the root cause of why cars were acting the way they were, but none of these groups talked to each other or to THE guy responsible for the design, who himself realized the issue & quietly issued a design change using the same design numbers, thus covering his tracks ... it looks like the people who most-bungled the root cause analyses were part of the group to be fired, along with that engineer.
In VW's case, this subroutine had to be developed & approved & tracked (for configuration control, so it would properly talk with other software) so there's conceivably a lot of fingerprints on this, so who knew what & when?
You have to remember the GM "settlement" doesn't settle everything -- it doesn't cover some civil litigation from affected owners and there's something about a delay in prosecution -- but I agree the final (negotiated) fine for VW will be less than that for GM because it wouldn't look good to indirectly cheapen human life by making VW pay more than GM.
Curious as to what the internal VW investigation will reveal,as well ... in GM's case, (to me) it appears there were a lot of working groups formed to determine the root cause of why cars were acting the way they were, but none of these groups talked to each other or to THE guy responsible for the design, who himself realized the issue & quietly issued a design change using the same design numbers, thus covering his tracks ... it looks like the people who most-bungled the root cause analyses were part of the group to be fired, along with that engineer.
In VW's case, this subroutine had to be developed & approved & tracked (for configuration control, so it would properly talk with other software) so there's conceivably a lot of fingerprints on this, so who knew what & when?
Pretty involved, actually. Forensically finding the problem was right out of CSI.
http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf
"Alleged Violations
Each VW vehicle identified by the table below has AECDs that were not described in the
application for the COC that purportedly covers the vehicle. Specifically, VW manufactured ana
installed software in the electronic control module (ECM) of these vehicles that sensed when the
vehicle was being tested for compliance with EPA emission standards. For ease of reference, the
EPA is calling this the "switch." The "switch" senses whether the vehicle is being tested or not
based on various inputs including the position of the steering wheel, vehicle speed, the duration
of the engine's operation, and barometric pressure. These inputs precisely track the parameters of
the federal test procedure used for emission testing for EPA certification purposes. During EPA
emission testing, the vehicles' ECM ran software which produced compliant emission results
under an ECM calibration that VW referred to as the "dyno calibration" (referring to the
equipment used in emissions testing, called a dynamometer). At all other times during normal
vehicle operation, the "switch" was activated and the vehicle ECM software ran a separate "road
calibration" which reduced the effectiveness of the emission control system (specifically the
selective catalytic reduction or the lean NOx trap). As a result, emissions of NOx increased by a
factor of 10 to 40 times above the EPA compliant levels, depending on the type of drive cycle
(e.g., city, highway)."
http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/cert/documents/vw-nov-caa-09-18-15.pdf
"Alleged Violations
Each VW vehicle identified by the table below has AECDs that were not described in the
application for the COC that purportedly covers the vehicle. Specifically, VW manufactured ana
installed software in the electronic control module (ECM) of these vehicles that sensed when the
vehicle was being tested for compliance with EPA emission standards. For ease of reference, the
EPA is calling this the "switch." The "switch" senses whether the vehicle is being tested or not
based on various inputs including the position of the steering wheel, vehicle speed, the duration
of the engine's operation, and barometric pressure. These inputs precisely track the parameters of
the federal test procedure used for emission testing for EPA certification purposes. During EPA
emission testing, the vehicles' ECM ran software which produced compliant emission results
under an ECM calibration that VW referred to as the "dyno calibration" (referring to the
equipment used in emissions testing, called a dynamometer). At all other times during normal
vehicle operation, the "switch" was activated and the vehicle ECM software ran a separate "road
calibration" which reduced the effectiveness of the emission control system (specifically the
selective catalytic reduction or the lean NOx trap). As a result, emissions of NOx increased by a
factor of 10 to 40 times above the EPA compliant levels, depending on the type of drive cycle
(e.g., city, highway)."
I wonder what caused them to look, maybe an disgruntled employee at the company spilled the beans....
jeremy, I think the resale value of these vehicles will drop significantly. Once the emissions are turned on they won't have the mileage on a tank for fuel nor the power as advertised. If I owned one I'd be banging on their doors wanting my money back
jeremy, I think the resale value of these vehicles will drop significantly. Once the emissions are turned on they won't have the mileage on a tank for fuel nor the power as advertised. If I owned one I'd be banging on their doors wanting my money back
Are the cars still able to on the road if there fix or even if they can be fixed. I find this really clever
I don't find it that clever, I don't' think it is more clever than the switch to run cars richer in cold mode or to put a car into limp mode...etc...
They have not been fixed and they are still on the streets. They seem to be only using the Volkswagen brand name to try to keep the Audi brand from being affected.
They have not been fixed and they are still on the streets. They seem to be only using the Volkswagen brand name to try to keep the Audi brand from being affected.
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