I completely understand your point but you need to understand im only using thr headers because I bought them 2 months ago when the plan was for a built 350 that would have been around 400hp. That motor isn't finished yet and the car needed exhaust done to it. I got the headers so I could do dual exhaust and not have to re-do it when the new motor went in. If the headers are as bad you claim they will be then I'll spend the extra money on the manifolds. I also disagree that the headers do not help when stock. I put a set of headers on my bone stock 87 z28 and the headers imporved it alot due to the restrictive y pipe being gone while I'm sure there were ways to get that power without headers, it was cheap and easy. Those headers really woke the car up, I was very surprised on how much better it ran. Stock the car did not want to rev but after the headers it revved up alot faster every where.