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Cool garage you are so lucky. Awesome space I am glad you guys got this done after everything that you went thru.
As for if a serp drive is good or bad . I ask all of you Honestly, have any of you even seen a new car lately. Please anyone ? A Z06 Corvette , any Mercedes Benz , or any Aston Martin, BMW, Porsche, Mustang , or Camaro ?
Any other car or truck built in the last ten years. Guess What ?
They ALL have Serpentine Drives. I guess It's Myth Busted.
V-belts suck come on people get a grip. It will Be OK, The World Won't Come To AN End 
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"That's My Story And I'am Sticking To It " :lol:
As for if a serp drive is good or bad . I ask all of you Honestly, have any of you even seen a new car lately. Please anyone ? A Z06 Corvette , any Mercedes Benz , or any Aston Martin, BMW, Porsche, Mustang , or Camaro ?
Any other car or truck built in the last ten years. Guess What ?
They ALL have Serpentine Drives. I guess It's Myth Busted.
V-belts suck come on people get a grip. It will Be OK, The World Won't Come To AN End :lol:"That's My Story And I'am Sticking To It " :lol:
I personally like my v-belts more for the nostalgia factor and its history. Some of the best cars ever built in american history used v-belts, and the fastest production car to this day used them, the Hemi powered 1968 Dodge Dart GTS. They are functional just like the serpentine belt is and in all reality, they are easier to maintain. The reason so many people throw v-belts is because half the time the pulleys aren't lined up. My alternator threw a belt for a while, and when I checked the pulleys weren't lined up right. After that was corrected, I never threw a v-belt for the last 3 years the car was running.
And just to make you think, look how the quality of the average car or truck is these days. The quality has gone downhill in turn for more luxury and cost efficiency. IMO, the serpentine pulleys and brackets really dirty up the front of the motor and take away from the simplistic and cleaner look of v-belts. You also don't have to replace tensioners, serpentine belts are expensive, and looks like more things that could break.
And just to make you think, look how the quality of the average car or truck is these days. The quality has gone downhill in turn for more luxury and cost efficiency. IMO, the serpentine pulleys and brackets really dirty up the front of the motor and take away from the simplistic and cleaner look of v-belts. You also don't have to replace tensioners, serpentine belts are expensive, and looks like more things that could break.
Actually most people think the McLaren F1 is the fastest street legal car on record, but it's the 1988 Twin Turbo Callaway Corvette. At 254 mph, it smokes the F1 by 14 mph and runs the quarter mile in 10.6 seconds to the F1's 11.6.
I am with you on the V belts -- I like them better than the Serpentine -- 😀
I am with you on the V belts -- I like them better than the Serpentine -- 😀
Sorry I forgot to mention fastest production car in the quarter mile and holds the record for acceleration, not top speed. The 68' Dodge Dart GTS with the 426 hemi ran a 10.2 in the quarter mile, in rough trim mind you, with slicks broke 9's, and acceleration 0-60 was 2.3 seconds. Keep in mind these Darts are incredibly rare and bring top dollar. I believe Bill Goldberg owns one himself and he loves the thing.
What did the Hemi dart run? Weren't they the ones that were sent to Hurst to have the firewall and fenders literally beat with a sledgehammer to make the Hemi fit?
No the 68' Darts had the inner fenders changed compared to the 67' Darts which could only hold a 383 at most. My father has a 67' GTS and the inner fenders are different to that of the 68'. He managed to fit a 440 in his dart without a problem, and the hemi isn't much different.
"68 Hemi Darts were Dart body shells that were shipped to Hurst who would install a magnesium cross ram-inducted 426 Hemi into the engine bay, facilitated by sledge hammer hits to the fender wells to make room for the Hemi's installation"
approximately 80 Darts were fitted with the 426 Hemi. But this wasn't just a engine swap. They featured a fiberglass hood and front fenders, a front bumper and doors stamped out of a lighter gauge steel, special one-layer Corning Glass for the side windows (which did not meet DOT standards for use on public roads), no door window mechanisms, and no exterior side mirrors, all in an attempt to save weight. The weight saving measures continued inside with the deletion of the rear seat, the radio, and the replacement of the front seats with special lightweight van seats mounted on custom-fabricated aluminum mounting brackets. There was no insulation, no undercoating or sealers were used, and even the right side seatbelt was removed. Under the hood, the brake master cylinder was moved to clear the cylinder head, and rubber brake lines were used instead of metal so that they could be removed for access to the valve cover without disturbing the brake hydraulic system. The actual Hemi engine featured a pair of Holley carbs on a magnesium cross-ram intake. Iron heads (instead of aluminum) were used to keep the cost down. A heavy duty cooling package was standard, as well as headers, but the cars were delievered with no paint -- just primer and naked black fiberglass from the cowl forward on cheap black wheels with skinny tires. Final cost per car was around $4,500, and to make sure that the cars were raced and NOT driven on public streets, every Hemi Dart came with a sticker that stated that "This vehicle was not manufactured for use on Public Streets, Roads or Highways, and does not conform to Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. But they definitely performed on the track, and would hit 10's in the quarter miles with minimal modification
approximately 80 Darts were fitted with the 426 Hemi. But this wasn't just a engine swap. They featured a fiberglass hood and front fenders, a front bumper and doors stamped out of a lighter gauge steel, special one-layer Corning Glass for the side windows (which did not meet DOT standards for use on public roads), no door window mechanisms, and no exterior side mirrors, all in an attempt to save weight. The weight saving measures continued inside with the deletion of the rear seat, the radio, and the replacement of the front seats with special lightweight van seats mounted on custom-fabricated aluminum mounting brackets. There was no insulation, no undercoating or sealers were used, and even the right side seatbelt was removed. Under the hood, the brake master cylinder was moved to clear the cylinder head, and rubber brake lines were used instead of metal so that they could be removed for access to the valve cover without disturbing the brake hydraulic system. The actual Hemi engine featured a pair of Holley carbs on a magnesium cross-ram intake. Iron heads (instead of aluminum) were used to keep the cost down. A heavy duty cooling package was standard, as well as headers, but the cars were delievered with no paint -- just primer and naked black fiberglass from the cowl forward on cheap black wheels with skinny tires. Final cost per car was around $4,500, and to make sure that the cars were raced and NOT driven on public streets, every Hemi Dart came with a sticker that stated that "This vehicle was not manufactured for use on Public Streets, Roads or Highways, and does not conform to Motor Vehicle Safety Standards. But they definitely performed on the track, and would hit 10's in the quarter miles with minimal modification
Where is that info from? I know a couple guys over on the Moparts forum that own these GTS darts and no mention of a sledgehammer to the fenderwells were ever made.
As for all the weight savings, most of that is true....but its still a production vehicle 8) I could imagine driving up to a dealership and seeing that in the showroom.
As for all the weight savings, most of that is true....but its still a production vehicle 8) I could imagine driving up to a dealership and seeing that in the showroom.
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