don't worry about what he posts, he repeats his poor opinion of these cars whenever he has a chance. I always wonder who is forcing him to own one
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don't worry about what he posts, he repeats his poor opinion of these cars whenever he has a chance. I always wonder who is forcing him to own one
Exactly, he has never seen the car in person yet he cuts it down like it's junk. The car is 30 years old, I expected this. And yeah he doesn't have to own one, it's a choice.
First of all, the car has never seen salt. its rusted from sitting in grass. The guy I bought it from is in his mid 80s, and he put the car outside because his wifes 72 Caddy was in the garage after she died. he didn't want her car to sit outside. and secondly, thanks for basically calling my car junk! You haven't even seen the car, yet its junk? If youre going to cut ppls cars down, you shouldn't be here!
Don't get to wacked about what other people say. If that's the only pic I saw of the car I would have my doubts cause the frames usually don't rust there but I also assume you know what you are talking about. Don't know what your intensions are for the car but if your going to race I have another option for the frame and trans mount
I was not trying to insult you, but you are in denial over the true condition of your car which is dangerous. The rust damage in your picture is very major, and damage that bad is rairly localized in a single spot. This is what a healthy frame looks like.
Comparing this to your picture, at least a 1/3 of your frame on the driver side is toast and is ready to snap in two at any time. At the least you are looking at a chassis swap. If the seller told you the truth, the car may have been sitting directly on the ground at some point which would cause such extensive rust. Though to me it looks like it rotted from the inside out from salt sitting inside the rail, POs often lie though their teeth. I have not even seen rust that bad on junkyard G bodies, and with damage that bad most if not all your body mounts are going to be rotted too. Did you do a hammer test on the rest of your frame?
Comparing this to your picture, at least a 1/3 of your frame on the driver side is toast and is ready to snap in two at any time. At the least you are looking at a chassis swap. If the seller told you the truth, the car may have been sitting directly on the ground at some point which would cause such extensive rust. Though to me it looks like it rotted from the inside out from salt sitting inside the rail, POs often lie though their teeth. I have not even seen rust that bad on junkyard G bodies, and with damage that bad most if not all your body mounts are going to be rotted too. Did you do a hammer test on the rest of your frame?
All the rest is solid, all the body mounts are good it's just this one spot.I was not trying to insult you, but you are in denial over the true condition of your car which is dangerous. The rust damage in your picture is very major, and damage that bad is rairly localized in a single spot. This is what a healthy frame looks like.
Comparing this to your picture, at least a 1/3 of your frame on the driver side is toast and is ready to snap in two at any time. At the least you are looking at a chassis swap. If the seller told you the truth, the car may have been sitting directly on the ground at some point which would cause such extensive rust. Though to me it looks like it rotted from the inside out from salt sitting inside the rail, POs often lie though their teeth. I have not even seen rust that bad on junkyard G bodies, and with damage that bad most if not all your body mounts are going to be rotted too. Did you do a hammer test on the rest of your frame?
I plan on street driving, but not opposed to a few stoplight affairs lol. I have a pretty beefy motor built for it waiting to go in. What u got in mind?
Looking at that picture, honestly, here's what I would do. For starters, if you have a friend at a garage, get the car on a lift. The steel is pretty thick on the frame so I recommend the following:
Walk around underneath the car, and every inch or two down the length, hit it as hard as you can with a hammer. A frame to factory strength will not be hurt by that. If flakes of metal come off, and/or it bends, you have a weak trouble spot. A strong safe frame wouldn't be hurt by that at all.
If there's a few trouble spots more than you thought, maybe it's time to just grab a replacement frame.
The one pic you show looks like a lot of heavy scale on the other parts of the frame. It may be misleading, as we can't see the rest. But, as a former rust belt guy, before I dumped a ton of money in on mods and all the rest I'd personally want to go overkill with this testing..
Only way to know if the body mounts are good is to remove the rubber bushing and see. Besides the bushings themselves going bad, the bolts can rust away, or freeze in the nuts, or the body nuts and body side mounts can rust out, and lastly the frame mounting seats can be rusted out. Passenger side #2 frame mount is almost always rotted out because of the poorly designed HVAC drain pouring water on it, especially if it was left out in the weather like the PO claims.
As ck80 said, perform a hammer test on the rest of your frame. If the frame is shot, better to know it now before you pour money into upgrades for it. I know its bad news and hard to accept. Perhaps if you post more pictures of your frame we can better judge its shape, but the middle driver side is the worst I ever seen, wish I could say otherwise.
Stock frames even in healthy shape are flimsy and require reinforcing to withstand high power, and I would not want to subject a frame in highly questionable condition to a "beefy motor" as it could end very badly. A high power car requires a frame and body that can safely handle the stress.
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Well, unlike Clone, I've always been of the opinion that anything can be fixed. It may not make economical sense to fix it, but it doesn't mean you can't. Hell, my if I had a nickel for everytime someone told me to scrap my Regal because it was too rusty, I'd probably have enough money to buy a Grand National.
However I still agree with Clone that rusted frames can be a safety issue, especially when your dealing with a lot of horsepower. I were you, I'd get a 3 lb mini sledge, beat the hell outta the frame and find out what is good and what isn't. Best case scenario, take it to a frame shop, they weld it up and plate it. Worst case scenario, you have to replace the frame. Rolling G Body chassis's are a dime a dozen. Don't let anyone tell you to 'part it out' or 'find a different project' over some rust. If everyone did that, people would be scrapping these cars left and right.
However I still agree with Clone that rusted frames can be a safety issue, especially when your dealing with a lot of horsepower. I were you, I'd get a 3 lb mini sledge, beat the hell outta the frame and find out what is good and what isn't. Best case scenario, take it to a frame shop, they weld it up and plate it. Worst case scenario, you have to replace the frame. Rolling G Body chassis's are a dime a dozen. Don't let anyone tell you to 'part it out' or 'find a different project' over some rust. If everyone did that, people would be scrapping these cars left and right.
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