Gas prices are weird.

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Buckle your seat belts because fuel is about ready to explode in price after little Joey gets in.
Just dropped in to politely remind everyone what the rules are. Politics has no place here. Talk about what affects the price of oil/gas, cool, great, awesome, and yes, policy has a lot to play in it. If you want to legit debate actual policy then cool.

[Edited for politeness bc it was originally a little harsh]
 
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Ethanol prices have remained remarkably flat over the past few years even though the tax credit/subsidy expired damn near a decade ago. Basically the industry is in a float. Not really expanding not shrinking. Ethanol plants were going up like crazy during the late Bush early Obama admin but I don't think I've seen a new one since 2010 era.

Basically the $1.70-2.40 a gallon is what it costs to produce, ship and make a reasonable profit. Livestock producers learned how to use the byproducts (Dry distillers grain, basically the protein and useful nutritional livestock feed and the Ethanol production pulls the sugar content out which can easily enough be substituted with lower grade feed like alfalfa) so some profit got squeezed out there and overall impact to the food industry was nil.

The thing that has killed wide adaption of ethanol is flex fuel. Instead of building an ethanol only 13:1 2 liter turbo for a mid size SUV they built flex fuel 5.0 liter NA mid size SUV's and you got all the negatives of lower fuel economy with none of the benefits of higher octane and being able to downsize the engine for less losses.

I believe blender pumps are put in for a little cost savings without loosing substantial fuel economy. I think ethanol should have been blended at 50% from day one because what little data I've encountered shows fuel economy on lower e blends doesn't change as much as higher blends.
 
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Who cares about the prez nothing changes immediately so anyway what's up with that mixed gas E30 and E50 can you run that in an older car? It's only 95 87 and 91 in CO and NM but there are a few place that sell ethanol free I do like how my car runs when I purchase it, Berthoud CO and Las Vegas NM are places/stations that offer it. What are the benefits of each, the odd # ones and non ethanol, rubber hoses deteriate faster gaskets?
 
I'd pay more for E85 and be happier if it was the only form of gasoline type fuel available if it meant that we never had to send another soldier to their death in the name of 'keeping the oil flowing' from the Middle East. The secondary benefit of putting more North Americans to work growing corn and refining ethanol is just the bonus. Imagine our gas $'s going to the natives - WOW - what a concept.
 
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Listen up, class. My original comment was supposed to be just a polite reminder to keep things on topic, BEFORE it went down that road.

Guess I should have known better.

EDIT: And I'm going to now use my editorial privilege to put this thread back on topic and soft-delete most of the posts up until now. Anyone has any questions about what happened, feel free to PM me.
 
While currently, the US independence from "foreign" oil negates wild swings in domestic pricing, OPEC+ is still a major player. Russia and Saudis went toe to toe on who was going to blink first. While Saudi still thinks in terms of prices, Russia is thinking in terms of market share. Two competing principles. And it DOES affect world pricing. Eventually. Say the world oil supply can fit in a swimming pool. Add or subtract a teaspoon of water to a swimming pool on one end and the water will level out likely without even a ripple. You may not even notice. Like Iran getting into the oil game again. Too small for anyone to notice in the global sector by adding that amount to the swimming pool. A teaspoon or two. Take that same theory, and cut off supply by curtailing Saudi production. It's like taking a 5 gallon bucket and bailing out one end of the pool several times. You will see a noticeable difference on the far end of that pool, and when it levels out again, there's a lower level. Less amount (inventories fall), then prices go up. Let alone any refinery upsets or shutdowns. It's all a manipulation.

All in all, whatever affects DEMAND is what's going to determine the major amount of pricing going forward moreso than who's curtailing production.
 
As far as the oddball ethanol grades, I believe they are placeholders more than anything. E30 and E50 are targeted as blends that all new cars must be able to run a few years from now.

All new vehicles made after 2001 or so are already able certified handle up to E20 or so. My old 98 Grand Cherokee can run the E15 with no issues and no difference in economy. The only difference that I have noticed is my long term fuel trims are a little different, but that is the computer doing what it should be doing.
 
Guess I should have known better.
You can try to keep it capped, but sooner or later it's gonna be a gusher! :mrgreen:

Some people just do not get that this is a car forum. Cars are a lifestyle, but ....
 
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....but actual life is happening beyond the forum, too. Balanced conversations are possible.

Around here?? Yeah right!
Good one...
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