Going back to CCC controls and reinstalling A/C

[Minion1186]

Couldn't sleep yesterday and was thinking about how cool the idea would be of running a mild 455/th2004r/3.73 with CCC controls and emission equipment (minius cats/AIR). I have a 1986 olds cutlass salon, originally a v8/2004r car and dead stock. I regretably tore the a/c and heater box and climate control in place for a plate to cover the hole in the firewall and took out the computer and the spaghetti mess of wires with it. Now the car sits with a three speed, no computer controls or climate control and want to go back eventually and run the computer and reinstall a new a/c and climate controls. Is this going to be a PITA? For now I would run it on my new olds 350 which is almost stock and build a big block in the far future. Would I be able to run aftermarket gauges in the car? Use any computer, harness and climate controls out of any year G body cutlass?

On another note, nothing on this car is hacked up with the exception of the a/c box being removed, I can still throw it back stock because I didnt fabricate anything on this car to be a permanent modification (e.i. welding, cutting).I just dont have any of the stock parts to do so.

I know someone will post a link to robert powers awesome website and also wanted to see if his information about ccc controls holds factual.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

ECMs and wiring harness are designed to match the engine. An Olds ECM and harness won't work on a SBC or Buick V6 or vise versa. You would need a Olds ECM, might need a custom PROM chip to match the 455, Olds CCC harness, Olds Qjet that is custom reworked to match the 455's specs. It would be easier on an SBO since you could use the 307 PROM chip, but the carb will still need to be retuned to match the engine. Don't forget to get a TC with a stall speed that matchs the camshaft's powerband. Alot of people overlook that.

 

[RegalBegal]

What would be the advantage of running the computer? ECMs in our cars did nothing except adjust timing and air/fuel ratio, resulting is piss poor performance. I do understand you other reasons. It is your car and you should do what ever makes you happy of course.

 

[DoubleV]

Minion, your goals are realistic and acheivable. How much of a PITA it would be depends on how motivated you are and your mechanical aptitude. You should'nt have any problems locating the parts you need.

You may want to consider a 403 ( or a beefier Olds 350 ) since going with a BBO comes with a few snags ( very little clearance between valve cover and AC box, need to mod AC compressor bracket, boat loads of torque will kill your 2004r unless you spend alot of money beefing it up ).

Of course the engine would need to be built to run well with the ECM, so no giant cams and high compression. I ran my 350 with all the CCC stuff and it ran great. It could've easily handled more motor and still have run just fine too. You do have to make some sacrifices though ( like you need to run an EGR valve for example ) which may limit you in what you can run ( like intake manifold ) and requires special considerations when adding an aftermarket part ( like you would idealy want to switch to a heated O2 sensor if running headers and you need to weld in an O2 sensor bung too ). In the end for me though, I wanted to run the RPM intake ( no EGR provision ), so I did away with the CCC stuff.

P.S. I'd forget about a custom PROM chip. You just aren't going to find anyone who can do one. No one messes with CCC stuff anymore and the ones who do are mostly Chevy guys and you don't want a Chevy ECM, so you're kinda out of luck.

 

[DoubleV]

What would be the advantage of running the computer?

What is the advantage of your posts being in blue? Maybe it's just to do something different than everybody else is even though it may not be 'better'.

A properly tuned CCC system will get you better milage and if it matters to anyone, better emissions too. It's also 'neat' to have a car that's all setup like it was from the factory with everything working...only with lots more power.

ECMs in our cars did nothing except adjust timing and air/fuel ratio, resulting is piss poor performance.

Well timing and A/F ratios are a pretty big thing though! That's really all the new EFI computers do too. Of course the ECM controls converter lockup too and does a much better job than any of the non CCC aftermarket stuff does.

The CCC system had nothing to do with the poor performance of these 80's cars. People who claim to have gained a bunch of power by swapping to a non CCC setup ( and not changing anything else ) simply didn't have their CCC system functioning properly IMO. When I switched to a non CCC setup in my car, I ran no better at the track than I did with my CCC stuff. That's because both of my setups were in a good state of tune.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

Minion, your goals are realistic and acheivable. How much of a PITA it would be depends on how motivated you are and your mechanical aptitude. You should'nt have any problems locating the parts you need.

You may want to consider a 403 ( or a beefier Olds 350 ) since going with a BBO comes with a few snags ( very little clearance between valve cover and AC box, need to mod AC compressor bracket, boat loads of torque will kill your 2004r unless you spend alot of money beefing it up ).

Of course the engine would need to be built to run well with the ECM, so no giant cams and high compression. I ran my 350 with all the CCC stuff and it ran great. It could've easily handled more motor and still have run just fine too. You do have to make some sacrifices though ( like you need to run an EGR valve for example ) which may limit you in what you can run ( like intake manifold ) and requires special considerations when adding an aftermarket part ( like you would idealy want to switch to a heated O2 sensor if running headers and you need to weld in an O2 sensor bung too ). In the end for me though, I wanted to run the RPM intake ( no EGR provision ), so I did away with the CCC stuff.

P.S. I'd forget about a custom PROM chip. You just aren't going to find anyone who can do one. No one messes with CCC stuff anymore and the ones who do are mostly Chevy guys and you don't want a Chevy ECM, so you're kinda out of luck.

There are still people out there who will burn custom PROM chips for you. There is a member over on MCSS.com who burns ZZ4 chips for $25 that deletes the EGR valve. So someone should be able to burn an Olds PROM that disables the EGR so one can run the CCC with a non EGR manifold.
CCC rules.

 

[RegalBegal]

What is the advantage of your posts being in blue? Maybe it's just to do something different than everybody else is even though it may not be 'better'.

Hey, I wasn't criticizing anyone, just asked a simple question as to the intent. Don't be a dick.

 

[Minion1186]

I think it'd be cool to a BBO with the factory stock look and sleeper style performance. I do have a new, stockish 350 olds I can definitely use for now.

I didnt realize there was that little of clearance between the valve cover and a/c box, so I think I may reconsider on using a Big Block and go ahead with my small block.

If I was going to use CCC and full tube headers and true duals, would I have to run one or two 02 sensors? And where would be a good spot to put them? The headers I have currently have crankcase evacuation bungs welded to them.

PROM wise, I would love to have no EGR, so would the fella on MCSS forum be able to make one for an Olds computer or just chevy? Even though I'd be okay about running egr, but I would rather not.

I think for now, I'm just daydreaming because I would like to find a parts car to steal everything out of and have a good reference to see where every wire goes and is routed besides the factory shop manuals I have, although a/c and heat may come sooner.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

I think it'd be cool to a BBO with the factory stock look and sleeper style performance. I do have a new, stockish 350 olds I can definitely use for now.

I didnt realize there was that little of clearance between the valve cover and a/c box, so I think I may reconsider on using a Big Block and go ahead with my small block.

If I was going to use CCC and full tube headers and true duals, would I have to run one or two 02 sensors? And where would be a good spot to put them? The headers I have currently have crankcase evacuation bungs welded to them.

PROM wise, I would love to have no EGR, so would the fella on MCSS forum be able to make one for an Olds computer or just chevy? Even though I'd be okay about running egr, but I would rather not.

I think for now, I'm just daydreaming because I would like to find a parts car to steal everything out of and have a good reference to see where every wire goes and is routed besides the factory shop manuals I have, although a/c and heat may come sooner.

I would think the guy over at MCSS could pull the stock codes for an Olds PROM and delete the EGR. Probably be easier just to run the EGR though.

You should only need one O2 sensor, but I think you would need to plug up those evac bungs. Maybe you can even reuse one of those bungs as an O2 sensor bung? Probably be a good idea to upgrade to a heated O2 sensor, it's a common upgrade for CCC cars.

 

[DoubleV]

What is the advantage of your posts being in blue? Maybe it's just to do something different than everybody else is even though it may not be 'better'.

Hey, I wasn't criticizing anyone, just asked a simple question as to the intent. Don't be a dick.

You need to take it easy dude. I wasn't being a dick, I just answered your question by making a comparrison and I didn't accuse you of critizing him either. No need to get all defensive. Sheesh....