fortunately BB....I know my limitations! I am not a fabricator....LOL!!! Yes I could probably do it,but I'd end up making 15 or 20 before I was happy with the finished product.Something about not knowing how to weld or having a welder! Of course,why get a welder when I don't know how to weld !!! Oh yeah...to practice with.....maybe one of these days!! I do admire those that can picture it in their minds and just crank it out!!!!
HAS ANYONE HEARD OF THIS?
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When they list the supreme are the meaning the 4 door version? Is it not on a diferent frame then the 2 door?
I bought a Jegster member for my T5 swap in my SS, slipped right in and looks to be plenty strong, plus it was about $20 cheaper than the Iceman x-member.
I saw that about the x-member not fitting a cutlass, I wonder if they are thinking that becuase the V6 cars have a different trans mount? At least the trans mount has been offset in all the V6 cars I have messed with, still puzzles me why GM did that.
I saw that about the x-member not fitting a cutlass, I wonder if they are thinking that becuase the V6 cars have a different trans mount? At least the trans mount has been offset in all the V6 cars I have messed with, still puzzles me why GM did that.
RedHotRegal said:
The part of the frame from the front seats forward is identical on all 2dr, 4dr, wagons, and caminos. All Olds-motored cars use the same motor and frame mounts and the same trans mounts. There is no unusual offset on any Cutlass (or other G-body) of any kind. Period.
joe_padavano said:
Olds post I came across here, but I felt the need to correct this 🙂
Sorry Joe, but based on experience (not urban myth), I can tell you with certainty that the engines are offset to the passenger side. Again, have a look at factory shaker hood or cowl hood cars and you will see what I mean. It's also VERY evident when someone sticks a engine mounted blower scoop on their car.
If you ever need to poke a hole in your hood, you'll see what I mean 🙂
If need be, I can grab the spare shaker assembly I have out of my attic and post a picture - it very clearly has a 1/2" offset built into it to compensate for the engine not being centered.
You'll also see this noted in this writeup for anyone wanting to make a Goodmark cowl hood functional:
http://www.montecarloss.com/community/u ... Post491534
(although it appears Paul went a full inch, which is too much - this is the difference you will get in measurements, but only 1/2" is required to compensate).
85_SS said:
This is correct. G body drivetrains are offset to the pass side. Lotsa cars are. GM never seemed to have radical offsets, but they are there on certain models, and all G bodys. Now Mopars musclecars are waaaaay obvious. Those things are like to inches over.
85_SS said:
actually the engine was offset to counter the difference in average weight between the men and women. It was customary that it was always the man driving the car and if it was the woman driving then most of the time she was on her own since most men were considered to proud to be driven around by a woman...
85_SS said:
Which is why I said "there is no UNUSUAL offset..." My whole point is that the crank centerline is in EXACTLY the same place on ANY G-body with ANY engine. The whole "Cutlass Supreme with offset engine" as the reason why headers or crossmembers won't fit is a complete urban myth that has been used for two decades and it is flat FALSE. If this were true, the Cutlass Supreme would have come with a different trans crossmember from the factory. It doesn't.
Can you tell I feel strongly about this. Oh, and engine offset, when it's used, is usually to provide additional clearance for the steering shaft.
joe_padavano said:
Agreed. And perhaps I misread your post below, but to me it sounded like you said there was no offset in any g-body. I now see what you were saying was that there is no offset on one g-body (ie. Cutlass) that differs from another g-body, which I agree with.
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joe_padavano said:
Just like yourself, I am simply trying to make sure everyone is on the same page and the correct info is out there.... and yes, that's what I assumed the offset was for at the begining of this thread 🙂 :
85_SS said:
I apologize for any misunderstanding 8)
joe...why don't you tell us how you really feel.....:lol:
if anyone cared to think about it if an engine was offset how was it offset?...the easiest way would be the engine mounts but the mounts they are identical mirror image of each other and if don't believe that take a look at the crossmember and measure the clearance on each side of the oil pan...it's the same...and every G body came with the same chassis so there no offset there.....and if there was I guess Cutlass Supremes would have unequal control arm lengths on the left and right sides to compensate for the offset chassis...
if anyone cared to think about it if an engine was offset how was it offset?...the easiest way would be the engine mounts but the mounts they are identical mirror image of each other and if don't believe that take a look at the crossmember and measure the clearance on each side of the oil pan...it's the same...and every G body came with the same chassis so there no offset there.....and if there was I guess Cutlass Supremes would have unequal control arm lengths on the left and right sides to compensate for the offset chassis...
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