Is Hyundai Finally Making Something You Would Actually WANT?

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

As far as fixing a problem with a car, US cars are much cheaper and easier to do. Foreign cars builders have not nor are they planning to have rebuilt parts available. Without those your stuck having to buy new parts. A starter for examples can be had for a little as $90 rebuilt, foreign new, well over $300. Our cars and there's share alot of the same design hampers such as front wheel drive, traverse motors and so on, not easy to work on theirs or ours.

You obviously have no experience with foreign cars. First off, rebuilt parts are available for all the major Japanese brands at any auto parts store. I replaced my original starter with a rebuilt one 2 years ago-after 270k miles. Did I mention those are pizza delivery miles and the truck is on and off all night long? The thing about Japanese cars is they do not fail all the time like a cheaply made domestic. I have known far too many cars used in my business to ever trust an American car. They don't last the 300k+ that a Japanese model will without an engine rebuild, or multiple transmissions, etc. Plus, they have constant electronics issues that a good Japanese model never does. I have never had a sensor failure in 315,000 miles. Try that with an S-10.

 

[85GPLef41]

I just read a article on the Genesis and it beats the the Chrysler 300c in every aspect. You would need the SRT package to beat it in performance. They even offer some options as standard compared to the 300c. I really like the way the 300c looks and performs but.... when you got a car thats better priced and better optioned you have to consider it.Plus they have a good warranty. This car is built to compete with the Pontiac G8, BMW 5 series, Lexus and other .high $ dollars cars. I still consider it but in my opinion i NEED a G8 GXP. :lol:

 

[pokertramp]

As far as fixing a problem with a car, US cars are much cheaper and easier to do. Foreign cars builders have not nor are they planning to have rebuilt parts available. Without those your stuck having to buy new parts. A starter for examples can be had for a little as $90 rebuilt, foreign new, well over $300. Our cars and there's share alot of the same design hampers such as front wheel drive, traverse motors and so on, not easy to work on theirs or ours.

You obviously have no experience with foreign cars. First off, rebuilt parts are available for all the major Japanese brands at any auto parts store. I replaced my original starter with a rebuilt one 2 years ago-after 270k miles. Did I mention those are pizza delivery miles and the truck is on and off all night long? The thing about Japanese cars is they do not fail all the time like a cheaply made domestic. I have known far too many cars used in my business to ever trust an American car. They don't last the 300k+ that a Japanese model will without an engine rebuild, or multiple transmissions, etc. Plus, they have constant electronics issues that a good Japanese model never does. I have never had a sensor failure in 315,000 miles. Try that with an S-10.

Funny you mention that. I used to have a 1995 S-10, brand new. After 1 week the ABS system went on it. I didn't have it for 4 days. The bill was around $800 parts and labor. It needed a new engine at $20,000 or so miles, the door never closed right, the bed was crooked, the third brake light fell off, the alarm from the factory which I paid $300 for didn't work.

I ended up taking it back to the dealership and told them to shove it up their *ss after the new motor was put in. They tried to charge me $600 IIRC for a clutch when they already had the motor out, the clutch was fine btw. I tried to drive it and if I went over 45mph it shook like a b*st*rd.

Needless to say, they tried to collect the rest of the money for it from me, around $8,000 and they threatened to sue me. I egged them on and told them if they did they would have one against them. never heard from them again,lol.

 

[7d8ss]

My answer to the original question is, no ~ Jon

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

As far as fixing a problem with a car, US cars are much cheaper and easier to do. Foreign cars builders have not nor are they planning to have rebuilt parts available. Without those your stuck having to buy new parts. A starter for examples can be had for a little as $90 rebuilt, foreign new, well over $300. Our cars and there's share alot of the same design hampers such as front wheel drive, traverse motors and so on, not easy to work on theirs or ours.

You obviously have no experience with foreign cars. First off, rebuilt parts are available for all the major Japanese brands at any auto parts store. I replaced my original starter with a rebuilt one 2 years ago-after 270k miles. Did I mention those are pizza delivery miles and the truck is on and off all night long? The thing about Japanese cars is they do not fail all the time like a cheaply made domestic. I have known far too many cars used in my business to ever trust an American car. They don't last the 300k+ that a Japanese model will without an engine rebuild, or multiple transmissions, etc. Plus, they have constant electronics issues that a good Japanese model never does. I have never had a sensor failure in 315,000 miles. Try that with an S-10.

Funny you mention that. I used to have a 1995 S-10, brand new. After 1 week the ABS system went on it. I didn't have it for 4 days. The bill was around $800 parts and labor. It needed a new engine at $20,000 or so miles, the door never closed right, the bed was crooked, the third brake light fell off, the alarm from the factory which I paid $300 for didn't work.

I ended up taking it back to the dealership and told them to shove it up their *ss after the new motor was put in. They tried to charge me $600 IIRC for a clutch when they already had the motor out, the clutch was fine btw. I tried to drive it and if I went over 45mph it shook like a b*st*rd.

Needless to say, they tried to collect the rest of the money for it from me, around $8,000 and they threatened to sue me. I egged them on and told them if they did they would have one against them. never heard from them again,lol.

Well, I use the S-10 because it, along with the Cavalier, is one of the worst vehicles I have ever seen. Cheap feeling when new, their poor build quality really shines through when you start to put some miles on them. Curiously though, I will also criticize a Japanese model here, the iconic Honda Civic. They require too much maintenance to keep going for the long haul and have a tendency to blow head gaskets due to their block design. Plus, they are timing belt engines and the water pump is driven off the timing belt, making replacement a nuisance. I prefer Sentras with the GA series engines for this reason. They simply don't fail under poor maintenance, and have sand core blocks made of iron with solid decks, as well as timing chains with tensioners that don't require regular replacement. My all time list of the best cars would include older Toyota pickups with 4 cylinder engines, Nissan 4 cylinder D21 and D22 pickups, Nissan Sentras with the GA engine, and 1985 and older Diesel Mercedes Benz cars. (preference for manual transmissions on all of them) All of these cars are very robust and can hit the 500k mark without a rebuild. They are what new car manufacturers of today should aspire to build.

 

[Uncletruck]

Even after putting up with my lemon of a 2001 Ford Ranger, I still looked at the American makes with the exception of Ford. Couldn't bring myself to buy a Dodge. All I had to do was read owner reviews on the Colorado/Canyon and see things like them needing engine and cylinder head replacements under warranty, things virtually unheard of with Toyota. That was enough to make me go back to Toyota. 2 years with no problems on my latest Tacoma. Hyundai has been taking the right steps to improve their vehicles and image. If I needed a shitbox, it would be a Hyundai long before any small car from GM.

-UT-

 

[NY87SS]

So I take it that your answer is the typical liberal one that is just a bunch of words yet in reality, means nothing.

Move on.

Typical liberal one?????
Now that is completely funny.
One its true, 2 I am no where near being a liberal.


Now for the S10.
Every maker makes bad cars. EVERYONE.
Now I have owned in the past 4 S series trucks, not one was returned to a dealer ever for any problem and logged over 100K on each one. I do not drive cars with over 100K on them when bought new.

But as I said before and will again.
HYPOCRITES most of you seem to be.
American workers make junk, American worker are lazy etc etc etc etc.
Now I again say HYPOCRITES because you are telling me you are not a American lazy assed worker getting paid well more than you need be, do sh*t work, sh*t quality, don't surf the net and post when you should be, but in fact you said ALL US workers.

Just sell your sh*t G bodies, get some older napanese cars and move to their countries since you are more than probably what you stereotyped as US workers.

 

[CutlassJ]

2X

 

[Blake442]

Well, I use the S-10 because it, along with the Cavalier, is one of the worst vehicles I have ever seen. Cheap feeling when new, their poor build quality really shines through when you start to put some miles on them.

My mom had a '96 Cavalier, and it wasn't that bad.
We bought it as a rental return in '97 with 30K on it, for only $8000 and change. It was a great little car. Sure, it felt cheap, but that's because it was cheap.

Towards 150K miles, the a/c compressor clutch went bad, so we simply unhooked the a/c. Oh well. Power windows solved that problem.
Around 175K it started wearing the insides of the tires out, due to a problem that wasn't correctly remedied when it was involved in an accident.
Not too much later, the timing chain broke, bending four valves.
That wasn't too good, and my mom had it fixed, and then bought a new car a few months later. She then gave the car to me, I fixed the dented in drivers side front and rear doors, painted that side of the car at school and promptly sold it. That car helped me repay my dad the money he loaned me to buy the 442.

I do whole-heartedly agree with 85 Cutlass Brougham about the fact that new vehicle manufacturers should be aiming for the 4-500K mile mark with their cars. I know they're capable of it, but where's the money in it? They'd rather sell you a few cars instead of just one that will last for decades.

 

[7d8ss]

Bravo! I say take this ricer sh*t to another forum. Can you believe that it's a moderator that keeps bringing this sh*t up. How about we change the name of this forum to j* CRAP & the moderator & his half dozen fart can buddies can try to impress everyone with there SRT, QVC. MIW bullshit. Then we could start a G BODIES forum. ~ Jon