NHTSA assaults 4th ammendment rights on MS highways

[CHRIS.O]

If driving is a right then why do you have to earn a licence. You do support drunk drivers if you object to the police to infringe on a person's freedom. If you are arguing against giving up a few minutes of your time then you are aiding the drunk driver to continue driving.

In order of your sentences.

Because its a verification that you are fit to drive and i dont disagree with that. I have 0 issue being stopped if a cop has a reason. In fact ive been pulled over many times. Ive been breathalyzed twice and did not mind it. The cops reasons for stopping me were legit. He was doing his job checking my fitness to drive. Your statement about infringing on freedoms. Come on man. Its never ok to infringe on freedoms. And the police dont have to. And my biggest reason for not giving up a few min of my time is because these check point open you up to more than just being checked out for drinking. A cop sees something "suspicious" then you and your buddies or family are ripped outta the car and delayed in your travels and tax payer money wasted. I know i know but what if they catch the next uni bomber in a dui checkpoint or some guy smuggling nuclear warheads your last sentence.... No just absolutely no. Because i disagree with infringements of rights does not make me an accessory to a crime.

 

[CHRIS.O]

Can't believe this thread hasn't been locked down yet.

Its coming. I wont do it since ive been posting in it. Dont wanna look like a bully. Im proud though its been rather civil in 8 or so pages.

 

[pontiacgp]

Chris, I think you are confusing the right to travel with the privilege to drive. There are no restrictions on your freedom to travel but you have to be of age and pass certain requirements before you are given a licence to drive.

as far as locking this thread down, no reason to, there has been lots of court battles over driving, if it is a right or a privilege and no one is making this into a personal battle.

 

[CHRIS.O]

Chris, I think you are confusing the right to travel with the privilege to drive. There are no restrictions on your freedom to travel but you have to be of age and pass certain requirements before you are given a licence to drive.

as far as locking this thread down, no reason to, there has been lots of court battles over driving, if it is a right or a privilege and no one is making this into a personal battle.

Alright for the sake of further exploration into this i will temporarily concede driving is not a right but free travel is. Assuming that because i am assuming i still do believe driving, cycling, walking, etc is a right, what do you do with the other rights that are stepped on at a check point? Like ive stated you stop they talk to you then a cop sees something that looks like a gun under a coat in the backseat. He pulls you out puts you in cuffs and in the back of his car only to find out its nothing dangerous. My whole point behind all this is where does it stop? I do not want to live in a police state or a nanny state. Bad stuff happens. If we can prevent it without walking on our constitution then awesome im all for it. Start hitting up these bars that sauce there patrons up with 6-10 beers and letting them go. Start nailing these criminals to the wall when they get pinched. You cannot protect everybody. And that should be accepted as reality. Go back to that quote i posted. If you sacrifice your rights youre gonna have no rights and people still drinking and driving. Its a slippery slope and thats what im afraid of.

 

[pontiacgp]

Chris, if people were more responsible then we would not have to have so many laws. At railway crossings they have to have a sign telling people don't park on the tracks. There is no way to pick out the idiots so we all have to suffer because of them. Where I live the are now passing a law that all types of rifles have to secured in the trunk in a vehicle. That is because some idiot are taking their paint guns and shooting at cars. If there was a way to pin point the drunk, stoned or overtired drivers the cops would have an easier time. The way they do it now I think is the only way. Generations to come won;t have this problem cause all the cars won't need a driver but then the gov will know where everybody has gone. I agree with you about not wanting a nani state and the gov needs to be kept in check but with impaired drivers I think we have to give them a pass on this one. I know alot of cops and nearly all of them are decent guys who think like the rest of us. The other thing is the police forces are stretch for man power so they don't really have time to play games. with people who are not causing problems.

 

[CHRIS.O]

I have to respectfully disagree. I hear ya on whats going on now is the current reasonable solution. I just cannot the other rights stepped on at these stops. Thanks for the conversation though.

 

[truracer20]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Not one state government acknowledges it as a right, all offer it as a privilege. That is the decision of the states legislatures and has been upheld by the judiciary time and again. The fact is you CAN walk through a DUI checkpoint and not be stopped unless you are drunk and annoying then you may face public intoxication charges. I know of no "area" that does not allow a person to walk, ride a bicycle or take any form of available public transportation to get to work or any other place they need to go. Sure those modes of transport are sometimes inconvenient, but all are viable options in all "areas".
Do you have to show appropriate paperwork to travel outside of and back into the US? Isn't that also an unwarranted search to obtain your identity and track your travels.

Just imagine if you were granted the RIGHT to drive and it was no longer constitutional to charge you fees in order to enjoy your RIGHT. What would you drive on? Paved streets? Dirt streets? Paved toll streets? Dirt toll streets? How would the local an federal governments come up with money to provide you streets, roads, highways and interstates to drive on? Fuel taxes? Vehicle specific taxes? Blanket taxes? Road tolls?

 

[CHRIS.O]

Driving is a privilege, not a right. Not one state government acknowledges it as a right, all offer it as a privilege. That is the decision of the states legislatures and has been upheld by the judiciary time and again.

I know there are plenty of court cases going the other way too. Ive read some of them. The fact is, its not cut and dry.
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/drivingi ... pr05.shtml


Sure those modes of transport are sometimes inconvenient, but all are viable options in all "areas".

Bike 20 miles to work on a 3rd shift job in Michigan winter lol. I get what youre saying. Just giving a little jest.

Do you have to show appropriate paperwork to travel outside of and back into the US? Isn't that also an unwarranted search to obtain your identity and track your travels.

Yes I believe it is and also another reason I do not fly and rarely leave the country. Ive been to Canada once before we had to use passports. Horrible trip but not Canadas fault. Drunk American 19 year olds

Just imagine if you were granted the RIGHT to drive and it was no longer constitutional to charge you fees in order to enjoy your RIGHT. What would you drive on? Paved streets? Dirt streets? Paved toll streets? Dirt toll streets? How would the local an federal governments come up with money to provide you streets, roads, highways and interstates to drive on? Fuel taxes? Vehicle specific taxes? Blanket taxes? Road tolls?

I have zero problem assisting in the performance of my right.

I think what a lot of the issue is when discussing right vs privilege is that some not all so this isn't directed at anybody in particular believe that rights are only inherent at birth and that they cant be earned or conditional.

 

[pencero]

I can't believe the right vs privilege argument. I think anybody should have the right to drive a compact car or small motorcycle; I would love to see a system in which people need to 'qualify' based on skill to drive anything heavier than that. Many bad drivers would be eliminated immediately b/c they really don't possess the skill level they should to be driving something that size. RV's especially come on now. Many people who own RV's should not be allowed to drive them - but they are. A drunk driver is already breaking the law when he turns a key drunk. Do you think he cares about the law? In a system where anyone can drive a POS to work for free but people have to pay more to drive larger vehicles the economy would improve and DUI deaths would go down. We still don't need random road check points either way it goes. Look at the improvements to the toll road over the years. Now the delays are so short. No more waiting for people to get out of their cars and pick up quarters they dropped. Delays are arguable in a rural area, but if DUI checkpoints come to metropolitan areas they will cause major problems and possibly violence too. Can you imagine the consequences if some official with a political agenda scheduled a checkpoint at a location near a school at 3:00pm or on your local highway at rush hour time? The consequences could be disastrous. I would never blame the police for doing their job to enforce legislation handed to them. I am looking over their head at the legislators scheduling these type of events and I don't believe that their motivation has anything to do with drunk drivers. I absolutely refuse to believe that these laws were written with people's safety in mind and I am 100% confident that this type of legislation is designed to cause us to disagree with each other over 'drunk drivers' when the real issue is socialism. We had worked so hard to keep socialism out of here and now we have screwed up and elected it to office by mistake. While I don't mind the policies of a European establishment in it's home land; I do mind observing the spread of those policies to my own land.

 

[pencero]

I did also locate a video of an English person who would probably feel the exact opposite as you guys about encountering a DUI checkpoint and I'm posting it to lighten the mood http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/84361348/