NHTSA assaults 4th ammendment rights on MS highways

[pontiacgp]

10,322 people were killed in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes in 2012....what about their rights.

 

[DRIVEN]

Chris, thanks for your posts. It's probably not easy for those who live in other countries to appreciate how we value our basic liberties granted under our constitution. Any time the constitution is violated it's a problem. Even if it's "for the right reason". Like you said, that's what a republic is about.

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

Alot of bad things have been done in the name of the "common good". I agree with your post Driven, people who are not used to living in a Republic wih basic liberties that are granted by a constitution just don't get it. They are more willing to give up their liberties in hopes they will be safer and be better protected, but the founding fathers of our constitution knew very well how foolish this belief is, what the Founders described as a "mobocracy". A Republic doesn't change the rights of the people because of current opinions on what is PC like a democracy would, this is why the founding fathers founded a republic instead of a democracy and I am thankful of that. In other words, a Republic is representative government ruled by law (the Constitution). A democracy is direct government ruled by the majority (mob rule). A Republic recognizes the inalienable rights of individuals while democracies are only concerned with group wants or needs (the public good). Sadly it seems far too many people, even our own politicians seems to lack knowing that there is a difference between the two yet alone what the differences are. This is why our country is degrading into a democracy which is a very bad thing.

Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have, in general, been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths.2 James Madison

Remember, democracy never lasts long. It soon wastes, exhausts, and murders itself. There never was a democracy yet that did not commit suicide.3 John Adams

A democracy is a volcano which conceals the fiery materials of its own destruction. These will produce an eruption and carry desolation in their way.4

The known propensity of a democracy is to licentiousness [excessive license] which the ambitious call, and ignorant believe to be liberty.5 Fisher Ames, Author of the House Language for the First Amendment

We have seen the tumult of democracy terminate . . . as [it has] everywhere terminated, in despotism. . . . Democracy! savage and wild. Thou who wouldst bring down the virtuous and wise to thy level of folly and guilt.6 Gouverneur Morris, Signer and Penman of the Constitution

[T]he experience of all former ages had shown that of all human governments, democracy was the most unstable, fluctuating and short-lived.7 John Quincy Adams

A simple democracy . . . is one of the greatest of evils.8 Benjamin Rush, Signer of the Declaration

In democracy . . . there are commonly tumults and disorders. . . . Therefore a pure democracy is generally a very bad government. It is often the most tyrannical government on earth.9 Noah Webster

Pure democracy cannot subsist long nor be carried far into the departments of state, it is very subject to caprice and the madness of popular rage.10 John Witherspoon, Signer of the Declaration

It may generally be remarked that the more a government resembles a pure democracy the more they abound with disorder and confusion.11 Zephaniah Swift, Author of America's First Legal Text

Thank God I don't live in a so called modern democracy, yet, and hopefully things will turn around.

 

[CHRIS.O]

10,322 people were killed in alcohol-impaired-driving crashes in 2012....what about their rights.

Sounds like they died exercising their rights to travel freely. Im gonna assume all the deaths were of victims not of drunks themselves. Just like any activity you take there are risk associated with it. That does not mean there should be a free for all on the streets. Just not random right infringing stops and searches.

 

[CHRIS.O]

Any time the constitution is violated it's a problem. Even if it's "for the right reason". Like you said, that's what a republic is about.

Thats the biggest and scariest thought and the biggest problem oyr nation faces. Too many people want to make laws to restrict freedoms in the hopes of helping. What usually happens is rights are lost and freedoms crushed with no measurable positive result.

 

[pontiacgp]

There is more selfish people than I thought there were. Maybe we should go back to being allowed to yelling fire in a theater or bomb while on an plane and have no restrictions on anything

 

[CHRIS.O]

There is more selfish people than I thought there were. Maybe we should go back to being allowed to yelling fire in a theater or bomb while on an plane and have no restrictions on anything

Actually the exact opposite. Willing to give up safety for freedom is much more selfless than anything. Its obvious you dont see the connection so i will leave it at this on my end.

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin

 

[Clone TIE Pilot]

There is more selfish people than I thought there were. Maybe we should go back to being allowed to yelling fire in a theater or bomb while on an plane and have no restrictions on anything

Strawman argument with Appeal to emotion.

Maybe this Disney educational short will help you understand to not allow emotion to cloud reason.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvp3zAPraF4

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvp3zAPraF4[/youtube]

 

[pontiacgp]

wow, it's amazing how people think that idiot who drive drunk or impaired by dungs or lack of sleep have the right to disregard the safety of other people who are mature enough to understand the reason why they don't drive impaired. It's because of people who think they are more important than other people and disregard other people that laws need to tell those idiots what to do. For the rest of us who respect others we don't need laws to inform us how we should conduct ourselves. I can only hope those who think driving drunk is a right have their license pulled and their vehicle crushed before they injure or kill an innocent victim.

 

[pencero]

:? I for one respected the outside points of view contributed from people in other nations. It only strengthened my resolve to push for smarter laws. I respect everyone who spoke on the subject seriously. Its equally good to see that some Americans still understand the concepts behind the constitution and would defend it if necessary. We don't need to disrespect people b/c they can't enjoy as free motoring rights as we have, but we should obviously look at who are behind these efforts to perpetrate nazi socialism against the people and their true motives and lobbying power before it is too late to take them down. The socialists have arrived; lets work together to get them free tickets to a country where their opinion of how a government should work are more acceptable. If people think socialism is the solution to catching a few drunks, I quit society today.