The Poor Should Pay Higher Taxes

[Doober]

:lol:

I'm not saying the big wigs can't get any perks, but come on... several millions as part of a bonus? I could never work again and live off that until I was old enough for social security.

I won't even comment on sports stars and the $30-$40 million+ contracts they sign.

 

[srercrcr]

Yea, if Oprah has enough to give away crap on her show, she can pony up to help pay for a single mothers health care.

 

[CaStylin]

Not to argue the point either way (IMO welfare needs a major overhaul... this no work and paycheck stuff has to stop, limitations and requirement must be implemented soon if not now)...

If people that received these could afford to pay more taxes then why would they be getting the funds in the first place... increases in funds should actually take away from the need for help so its kinds of a circular argument to increase taxes on those who use aid

Here’s how increase in that manner would work out.

1) Low funds 2) create a need for assistance 3) taxes are increased base on assistance creating the same initial 1) low funds 2) which creates an increased need for assistance 3) which calls for another tax increased base on assistance which again creates the same initial 1) low funds :x

CaStylin

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Yea, if Oprah has enough to give away crap on her show, she can pony up to help pay for a single mothers health care.

No, she should not be forced to pay one penny of a single mother's health care. It is not Oprah's fault she got pregnant, so why should she be forced to pay any of it? If you get into a problem it is not for the government to help you. The money saved on health care and welfare could be better spent on law enforcement and more prisons. The prisoners could then be turned into a giant revenue stream as their labor could then be sold to large corporations who would use them as a alternative to outsourced labor. The prisoners could be made to work for free, with their wages being used to pay for their upkeep. Any prisoner who refused to work or refused to work well, could then be fired and denied food and medical care until such time as they found another prison job to pay for them to be there. Get in trouble in prison, you can be suspended from work and therefore food and medicine. Do well in the system and earn yourself better living conditions. Those who did particularly bad could also be placed in outdoor cages with nothing but the ground to sleep on. In this way, they could be trained to never want to go to prison again.

 

[CaStylin]

Yea, if Oprah has enough to give away crap on her show, she can pony up to help pay for a single mothers health care.

No, she should not be forced to pay one penny of a single mother's health care. It is not Oprah's fault she got pregnant, so why should she be forced to pay any of it? If you get into a problem it is not for the government to help you. The money saved on health care and welfare could be better spent on law enforcement and more prisons. The prisoners could then be turned into a giant revenue stream as their labor could then be sold to large corporations who would use them as an alternative to outsourced labor. The prisoners could be made to work for free, with their wages being used to pay for their upkeep. Any prisoner who refused to work or refused to work well, could then be fired and denied food and medical care until such time as they found another prison job to pay for them to be there. Get in trouble in prison, you can be suspended from work and therefore food and medicine. Do well in the system and earn yourself better living conditions. Those who did particularly bad could also be placed in outdoor cages with nothing but the ground to sleep on. In this way, they could be trained to never want to go to prison again.

The only problems with the above plan (other then the belief that it is ok remove food and care in a situation where there is alternative such as those nations consider to be dictatorships in which they are continually criticized or the treatment of prisoners and people) is that it would take large sums of capital to build complex’s that are able to capable of producing product, you would also need centralized prison system which would increase transport cost… also wages would have to be at least minimum wage as set for by law which is still 100x more expensive then the outsourced wages… even if you ducted monthly cost for food and housing you would still end up paying every “force laborer” +/- 400 a month

Training and quality control would also be of concern, it take a normal company 33% of the yearly wage to train a new employ and allow him meet minimum expectations... so the minimal sentence would have to be 12 months before the plan was even cost efficient and still does address the quaility control issue

And lets not even get into the increased security cost of all the new prisons, allowing prisoners to move around freely which is likely required by the mode of production will need a much smaller prisoner to guard ratio

 

[srercrcr]

85...guess you're not siding with the majority, who want govt to assist people. Your days are over. Get on the Spector bandwagon. The only hardcore holdouts such as yourself are in the South, land of evangilism (hocus pocus), rebel flags, and Jerry Springer guests. The rest of the country is BLUE...we WON!

 

[slone56]

Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.

You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force.

Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered- Auto Industry fixed.

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed..

It can't get any easier than that!


If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their constituents pay their taxes...

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Instead of giving billions of dollars to companies that will squander the money on lavish parties and unearned bonuses, use the following plan.

You can call it the Patriotic Retirement Plan:

There are about 40 million people over 50 in the work force.

Pay them $1 million apiece severance for early retirement with the following stipulations:

1) They MUST retire. Forty million job openings - Unemployment fixed.

2) They MUST buy a new American CAR. Forty million cars ordered- Auto Industry fixed.

3) They MUST either buy a house or pay off their mortgage - Housing Crisis fixed..

It can't get any easier than that!


If more money is needed, have all members of Congress and their constituents pay their taxes...

Where is all this wonderful money coming from to give all these people about 50 trillion dollars? If you print it, you debase the dollar. Plus, there isn't enough money in circulation to pay that sort of cash out.

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

85...guess you're not siding with the majority, who want govt to assist people. Your days are over. Get on the Spector bandwagon. The only hardcore holdouts such as yourself are in the South, land of evangilism (hocus pocus), rebel flags, and Jerry Springer guests. The rest of the country is BLUE...we WON!

We will see what happens. After Obama destroys the economy and torch wielding mobs drive him from office, we will do things that will actually help people, not destroy their lives like Obama wants to do. Obama hates the poor and his policies show that. Otherwise, he would use tough love and force them to fix their own lives. Instead, he is just using the poor as slaves, just like every Democrat since 1964. They are enslaved as a voting block to get their meager benefits. The Democrats, after all, do not give two ****s about the poor so long as they give them power.

 

[85 Cutlass Brougham]

Yea, if Oprah has enough to give away crap on her show, she can pony up to help pay for a single mothers health care.

No, she should not be forced to pay one penny of a single mother's health care. It is not Oprah's fault she got pregnant, so why should she be forced to pay any of it? If you get into a problem it is not for the government to help you. The money saved on health care and welfare could be better spent on law enforcement and more prisons. The prisoners could then be turned into a giant revenue stream as their labor could then be sold to large corporations who would use them as an alternative to outsourced labor. The prisoners could be made to work for free, with their wages being used to pay for their upkeep. Any prisoner who refused to work or refused to work well, could then be fired and denied food and medical care until such time as they found another prison job to pay for them to be there. Get in trouble in prison, you can be suspended from work and therefore food and medicine. Do well in the system and earn yourself better living conditions. Those who did particularly bad could also be placed in outdoor cages with nothing but the ground to sleep on. In this way, they could be trained to never want to go to prison again.

The only problems with the above plan (other then the belief that it is ok remove food and care in a situation where there is alternative such as those nations consider to be dictatorships in which they are continually criticized or the treatment of prisoners and people) is that it would take large sums of capital to build complex’s that are able to capable of producing product, you would also need centralized prison system which would increase transport cost… also wages would have to be at least minimum wage as set for by law which is still 100x more expensive then the outsourced wages… even if you ducted monthly cost for food and housing you would still end up paying every “force laborer” +/- 400 a month

Training and quality control would also be of concern, it take a normal company 33% of the yearly wage to train a new employ and allow him meet minimum expectations... so the minimal sentence would have to be 12 months before the plan was even cost efficient and still does address the quaility control issue

And lets not even get into the increased security cost of all the new prisons, allowing prisoners to move around freely which is likely required by the mode of production will need a much smaller prisoner to guard ratio

You don't see it as I do. Corporations would pay to build the factories, and the law would be changed to exempt them from minimum wage and labor laws. Also, each prisoner would be locked in an individual cage that could be moved on and off the line when on or off shift. The cage would also include a bed and toilet. They would never leave the cage, but instead be put on a conveyor of sorts. Thus, you could run it with fewer guards as prisoners would never be free to move about. Also, increasing minimum sentences would make it cost effective for the corporations to underwrite it. Each prisoner would be in effect a part of the machine that is interchangeable with another should it fail. Also, at all times Pink Floyd's "Welcome to the Machine" would be playing in the background.