Quinn (ssn696) is right about saving the receipts🙂, just don't add them up until you need to🙁
Sorry, old joke, and maybe not in the best taste
Sorry, old joke, and maybe not in the best taste
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bit im getting a 240sx to drift. its going to be a daily drifter, and i know how to handle rwd cars. i know you may think this sounds dumb but i play a video game called assetto corsa and am a complete drifting god, i have a racing wheel and professional drifters said that it is actually harder than drifting irl because you cant feel any g forces or move your head around. also this game is how i learned to drive fwd.
If you want a good suspension like viking coilovers and all the goodies to make them work like they should... look to spend about 3k on upgrades. These cars suffer from a flimsy chassis. I have done everything short of building a new chassis for mine, I bought all of my suspension from UMI, but I also have built mine to do some autocross events in the near future.
My 17 year old son has driven 10 mph powerwheels since he was 3, raced and won in go karts when he was 6, could set the record on every Daytona 2 arcade game on "challenge" when he was 7, Has had every PC and Playstation driving game, we built a miata when he was 14, the day after he turned 16 he took and passed his driving test in my 420 hp 6 speed Mustang and has driven my 500 HP 502+2 to high school and the first time I took him to do some drifting his exact word were "this is nothing like the video games".
The racing games were a blast when i ised to play them.
To be completely honest, it's nothing like hauling *ss in a potent rwd car on real roads...complete with bumps, potholes, and such!!! I was born into a gearhead filled family and was taught some pretty awesome driving skills from my dad, and mom who used to be a competitive drag racer back in the '70's. I used to play around drifting my cutlass in the snow and rain with no other cars around so i could teach myself to control the slide right to the edge of spinning around.
Not trying to be degrading....but don't just jump into a rwd car, be it a 240, g body, etc and think you can toss it around like in the video games. No doubt you will meet up with a guardrail, ditch, or another car along the way! Improve your real world skills in a big *ss empty parking lot to understand how that particular car handles....trust us, every car is different and has a limit on when it decides to say "screw you I'm goin home"!!! My cutlass when i bought it in '01 had the sloppy suspension meant for cruising the highways, but now it has virtually no body roll and handles like a performance car with all the chassis and suspension upgrades added...and i still won't likely push it to the limit.
Just be safe....whatever car you begin really driving, become one with that car, know how it reacts to panic stops, hard take offs, etc. Alot of it comes with time, and these guys are all trying to help so you don't get you or someone else hurt.
To be completely honest, it's nothing like hauling *ss in a potent rwd car on real roads...complete with bumps, potholes, and such!!! I was born into a gearhead filled family and was taught some pretty awesome driving skills from my dad, and mom who used to be a competitive drag racer back in the '70's. I used to play around drifting my cutlass in the snow and rain with no other cars around so i could teach myself to control the slide right to the edge of spinning around.
Not trying to be degrading....but don't just jump into a rwd car, be it a 240, g body, etc and think you can toss it around like in the video games. No doubt you will meet up with a guardrail, ditch, or another car along the way! Improve your real world skills in a big *ss empty parking lot to understand how that particular car handles....trust us, every car is different and has a limit on when it decides to say "screw you I'm goin home"!!! My cutlass when i bought it in '01 had the sloppy suspension meant for cruising the highways, but now it has virtually no body roll and handles like a performance car with all the chassis and suspension upgrades added...and i still won't likely push it to the limit.
Just be safe....whatever car you begin really driving, become one with that car, know how it reacts to panic stops, hard take offs, etc. Alot of it comes with time, and these guys are all trying to help so you don't get you or someone else hurt.
One key to drifting is having a stiff rear sway bar. With no other mods and a stiff rear bar, you can practically drift anything.
If you are starting with an underpowered (or low torque) vehicle that is designed to understeer, to get it drift, you have overcompensate with an even stiffer rear sway bar. This overcompensation usually makes the rear end less compliant and less able to absorb road imperfections that can lead to terminal oversteer.
You need to realize that a car set up for a parking lot can easily kill you on the street. Back in the 1990's I know multiple high school kids that were killed by oversteering FOX body mustangs. Today, we laugh at cars so slow. "225 HP? That's nothing!"
Like many cars, just when a Fox 5.0 stops understeering, it snap oversteers, and generally it is when the driver says "uh oh, too fast" and let's off is when the car spins out and NOT when the driver says "hey watch this!". So entering the freeway on a cloverleaf, 1/8" difference in throttle foot position (down OR up) could mean the difference between entering traffic normally and entering traffic spinning.
If you are starting with an underpowered (or low torque) vehicle that is designed to understeer, to get it drift, you have overcompensate with an even stiffer rear sway bar. This overcompensation usually makes the rear end less compliant and less able to absorb road imperfections that can lead to terminal oversteer.
You need to realize that a car set up for a parking lot can easily kill you on the street. Back in the 1990's I know multiple high school kids that were killed by oversteering FOX body mustangs. Today, we laugh at cars so slow. "225 HP? That's nothing!"
Like many cars, just when a Fox 5.0 stops understeering, it snap oversteers, and generally it is when the driver says "uh oh, too fast" and let's off is when the car spins out and NOT when the driver says "hey watch this!". So entering the freeway on a cloverleaf, 1/8" difference in throttle foot position (down OR up) could mean the difference between entering traffic normally and entering traffic spinning.
Watch these And tell me what you think, actually watch the whole thing before you comment. http://www.assettocorsa.net/forum/index.php?threads/assetto-corsa-drift-review.37047/
When I was a kid, that's all there was...FWD cars were pretty new to the market, and no way was I getting a new car...
I remember one key moment when I was 17..hydroplaned in a turn, and 'til this day I still can't believe I had the presence of mind to turn the wheels straight before I hit the curb. Didn't even bend a rim! I do agree that donuts in a snowy parking lot can be construed as 'Driver's Ed'...
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