Would like some opinions on racing slicks, and E85 fuel.

[custom442]

. I bought some two weeks ago and it was $2.77 per gallon. Also, contrary to what people say, Ethanol is NOT CORROSIVE! Methanol, Alcohol is corrosive. Two completely different types of fuel. Ethanol, E85 is CORN BASED, they make whiskey out of it, you could drink it, it's moonshine with some gasoline mixed in it. All natural ingredients. If you really want to know about the fuel, don't guess, check it out for yourself.

I know a little bit about alcohols :wink: ethanol is very corrosive. Certain metals react stronger with ethanol vs methanol, and in general alcohols vs water. The polarity of ethanol has something to do with its ability to solvate rubber/plastic worse than methanol (they're both bad) in seals designed for gasoline, they are about the same acidity. But you're correct when mixed with 15% gasoline its much less corrosive than methanol and water. Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion temperatures more than cheaper water injection, for the simple fact that it burns. Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something.

It aint cheap here, its about the same or more than premium gas and those places are few and far between, Then again the local gas station its 3.20 for 93/94 and everywhere else in the nation from what I hear 87 is more expensive than that. Houston has that oil thing goin on where we get cheap gas coming off the refineries on the south side.

 

[outsider_27]

Any ethanol blend does not have the lubricity in it that regular gasoline has. I will not use it in anything I own. I have seen alot of cars come in when I worked in the shop that ran poorly and we found out it started when they started using ethanol. Cleaned the injectors, stopped using ethanol, problems stopped. A gallon of ethanol also takes more energy to make than it produces and give less fuel mileage. I can't believe people think this is a viable option for fuel.

 

[jrm81bu]

no, e85 has a higher octane than gasoline, it burns quicker and reduces emissions.

Higher octane burns Slower, that's why it will help keep detonation at bay.

Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion temperatures more than cheaper water injection, for the simple fact that it burns. Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something.

It will cool your intake charge the same way gasoline does when it is atomized. But since you are adding even more "fuel" with e-85 the cooling effects are increased. Methanol is the same way just more exaggerated, to the point of having slight difficulties getting to certain operating temps.

Any ethanol blend does not have the lubricity in it that regular gasoline has. I will not use it in anything I own. I have seen alot of cars come in when I worked in the shop that ran poorly and we found out it started when they started using ethanol. Cleaned the injectors, stopped using ethanol, problems stopped. A gallon of ethanol also takes more energy to make than it produces and give less fuel mileage. I can't believe people think this is a viable option for fuel.

It's very viable considering it's easily renewable. Seems that all fuels use more energy to make then they create even electricity. Mixing with gasoline(an oil) helps with any lubricity problems. It's not alcohol that requires adding a top lube to the mix. There is a LOT of guys that are running it in their stock(all the way back to 1955) fuel systems with no adverse affects. I'm not trying to change your mind, because this topic is more in line with what is better a Chevy or Olds, everyone has their opinions and will never see the other sides version.
Here's another good site, especially for naysayers. http://www.e85performance.net/forums/

 

[nycutlass]

A flex-fuel model can burn any combination of E85 and straight gasoline, so owners can fill up with either fuel at any time. Technically, a non-flex fuel model can be modified to run on E85, but it is far from being cost-effective.
At its current price per gallon, E85 doesn’t save you money, and it might cost you more. As of September 2008, a gallon of E85 was 15 percent less than the cost of a gallon of gasoline nationally, according to e85prices.com. However, E85 produces 27 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline, so on average it ends up costing more.
Do the math and you’ll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective.
The best reasons to buy an E85 vehicle are to decrease U.S. dependence on petroleum — which is non-renewable and comes mainly from foreign countries — and to keep more of your money in this country.
E85 also has environmental benefits, although the degree is in question. A flex-fuel car burning E85 has different levels of tailpipe pollutants, but it’s not dramatically better overall than gasoline exhaust. Separate from true pollution emissions, E85’s output of carbon dioxide — a greenhouse gas — is again comparable to that of gasoline, at the car’s tailpipe. The theoretical benefit is that the carbon in ethanol comes from corn plants, which, in a sense, recycle the carbon.
In comparison, petroleum is carbon that was trapped underground for millions of years before being released into the ecosystem. The National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition says E85 reduces CO2 by about 36 percent to 42 percent versus gas. Still, scientists point out that petroleum is used to plant, fertilize, harvest, process and transport E85.

 

[kornball426]

If corn wasn't the most heavily government subsidized money making cash crop... E85 could be very very cheap and much easier to make. Corn is a crappy plant to try to just produce large quantities of cheap alcohol. Something like beets or sugar cane or different kinds of fruits would be a lot better. Obviously sugar cane and lots of fruit varieties are not able to be grown every where, but if they started out with a crop that yielded a lot more sugar than corn it would be a lot cheaper and make more sense. Because the more sugar you start out with the more alcohol you can make.

 

[custom442]

no, e85 has a higher octane than gasoline, it burns quicker and reduces emissions.

Higher octane burns Slower, that's why it will help keep detonation at bay.

Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion temperatures more than cheaper water injection, for the simple fact that it burns. Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something.

It will cool your intake charge the same way gasoline does when it is atomized. But since you are adding even more "fuel" with e-85 the cooling effects are increased. Methanol is the same way just more exaggerated, to the point of having slight difficulties getting to certain operating temps.

I mixed up my wording there it burns faster/quicker as in you use more gas.

Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion as much as water. Thats what I typed.

 

[jrm81bu]

no, e85 has a higher octane than gasoline, it burns quicker and reduces emissions.

Higher octane burns Slower, that's why it will help keep detonation at bay.

Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion temperatures more than cheaper water injection, for the simple fact that it burns. Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something.

It will cool your intake charge the same way gasoline does when it is atomized. But since you are adding even more "fuel" with e-85 the cooling effects are increased. Methanol is the same way just more exaggerated, to the point of having slight difficulties getting to certain operating temps.

I mixed up my wording there it burns faster/quicker as in you use more gas.

Ethanol isn't going to cool your combustion as much as water. Thats what I typed.

Ya but nobody said that it did. So this part was kinda unneccasary, making it sound as if someone's info was wrong, when noone actually made a comparison to water/methanol injection "Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something."

 

[custom442]

[quote="Ya but nobody said that it did. So this part was kinda unneccasary, making it sound as if someone's info was wrong, when noone actually made a comparison to water/methanol injection "Wherever you found some of that info sounds to me like a sales pitch, think someone trying to sell you on something."

Yes this..:
"Also, contrary to what people say, Ethanol is NOT CORROSIVE! Methanol, Alcohol is corrosive. Two completely different types of fuel. Ethanol, E85 is CORN BASED, they make whiskey out of it, you could drink it, it's moonshine with some gasoline mixed in it. All natural ingredients. If you really want to know about the fuel, don't guess, check it out for yourself. A good place to start is a Web Site called: raceone85.com The owners name is Justus Daniel. He drags a '52 Henry J, all steel body, SBC with a 6-71 Blower, two carbs and E85. Been using it for about 5 years with the same fuel tank, pump, and rubber fuel lines. Never had a problem. I'm sure there are other sites as well, but I know this guy, I got my E85 conversion kit from him. Don't knock it before you try it, or because you don't know enough about it. "

...sounds a helluva lot like a sales pitch to me does it not anyone else? And yes that info is very wrong, just because you can drink it doesn't mean it has no hydroxide and is somehow not corrosive. You can drink water too. Convincing people otherwise has to be a sales pitch as I don't think he actually believes it does not corrode. That and how there were posted sites to buy things from businesses. I was not comparing anything, but since you believe I was then yes pump gas and water/methanol will have very good results on a turbo application or higher cylinder pressures, its cheaper and more readily available unless you live in the corn belt or somewhere in the midwest I dunno where he gets it that cheap, its at least 3.20-3.30 here.

 

[RegalBegal]

A flex-fuel model can burn any combination of E85 and straight gasoline, so owners can fill up with either fuel at any time. Technically, a non-flex fuel model can be modified to run on E85, but it is far from being cost-effective.
At its current price per gallon, E85 doesn’t save you money, and it might cost you more. As of September 2008, a gallon of E85 was 15 percent less than the cost of a gallon of gasoline nationally, according to e85prices.com. However, E85 produces 27 percent less energy per gallon than gasoline, so on average it ends up costing more.
Do the math and you’ll discover that E85 must be priced roughly 28 percent less than gas just to break even. For example, if gasoline is $3 per gallon, E85 would have to be priced below $2.16 per gallon. There are regions in the Corn Belt where E85 reaches this threshold, making it cost effective.
The best reasons to buy an E85 vehicle are to decrease U.S. dependence on petroleum — which is non-renewable and comes mainly from foreign countries — and to keep more of your money in this country.
E85 also has environmental benefits, although the degree is in question. A flex-fuel car burning E85 has different levels of tailpipe pollutants, but it’s not dramatically better overall than gasoline exhaust. Separate from true pollution emissions, E85’s output of carbon dioxide — a greenhouse gas — is again comparable to that of gasoline, at the car’s tailpipe. The theoretical benefit is that the carbon in ethanol comes from corn plants, which, in a sense, recycle the carbon.
In comparison, petroleum is carbon that was trapped underground for millions of years before being released into the ecosystem. The National Ethanol Vehicle Coalition says E85 reduces CO2 by about 36 percent to 42 percent versus gas. Still, scientists point out that petroleum is used to plant, fertilize, harvest, process and transport E85.

Jesus!
John, I never knew you had a brain! LOL

 

[nycutlass]

Whats a brain lol