78 Grand Prix project

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I got my preliminary report back on the 455 from the machine shop today. I was actually surprised by the news because I've often read that Pontiacs rarely need line boring. Either way I'm just glad the block is good. I'll be able to start buying some parts before long. Here's what the machinist sent me in an email:

"The block is clean, and passed a magnaflux test with flying colors. Inspecting the bores shows that the block will easily clean up at +.030, and would probably even clean up at +.015 or +.020, should that be needed. Additionally, sonic testing the bores reveals this to be a healthy block in terms of wall thickness. I will provide all the numbers in the report, but I would be confident boring this block to +.060 if that should ever be needed.

Now the bad news. In checking your main bearing bores they are all in alignment, which is good, but they all vary in size, which is bad. They are all at the high limit of the specified bore size, and several are larger. Several are also out of round. While this can be easily corrected by line boring/honing, I was hoping to get by with out those procedures. Unfortunately it will be required for this block.

Additionally, the deck surface has a few spots of erosion. I am guessing its the result of weak antifreeze. It is not a problem, as decking was high on the list of priorities. It will just require a bit more of a cut on the decks.

So what we are looking at is a line bore, bore and hone cylinders with a torque plate, and decking. I still feel that balancing is a priority, and I will work with you to make that happen. Additionally, you may want to consider upgrading the main cap hardware to studs, or even installing 4 bolt caps on the center mains. Not required, but since work will be done on the mains, now is the time to think about it. We can discuss that further should you have any interest in those options."
 
G-Body_Vet said:
I got my preliminary report back on the 455 from the machine shop today. I was actually surprised by the news because I've often read that Pontiacs rarely need line boring. Either way I'm just glad the block is good. I'll be able to start buying some parts before long. Here's what the machinist sent me in an email:

"The block is clean, and passed a magnaflux test with flying colors. Inspecting the bores shows that the block will easily clean up at +.030, and would probably even clean up at +.015 or +.020, should that be needed. Additionally, sonic testing the bores reveals this to be a healthy block in terms of wall thickness. I will provide all the numbers in the report, but I would be confident boring this block to +.060 if that should ever be needed.

Now the bad news. In checking your main bearing bores they are all in alignment, which is good, but they all vary in size, which is bad. They are all at the high limit of the specified bore size, and several are larger. Several are also out of round. While this can be easily corrected by line boring/honing, I was hoping to get by with out those procedures. Unfortunately it will be required for this block.

Additionally, the deck surface has a few spots of erosion. I am guessing its the result of weak antifreeze. It is not a problem, as decking was high on the list of priorities. It will just require a bit more of a cut on the decks.

So what we are looking at is a line bore, bore and hone cylinders with a torque plate, and decking. I still feel that balancing is a priority, and I will work with you to make that happen. Additionally, you may want to consider upgrading the main cap hardware to studs, or even installing 4 bolt caps on the center mains. Not required, but since work will be done on the mains, now is the time to think about it. We can discuss that further should you have any interest in those options."


Nice!! I would at minimum do the studs. Based on what I've read, going to a 4 bolt cap setup is probably overkill, plus you would be dishing out several hundred more for the parts. I think my stud kit ran something like $80 for the set, plus the line hone, of course.
 
67rstbkt said:
Nice!! I would at minimum do the studs. Based on what I've read, going to a 4 bolt cap setup is probably overkill, plus you would be dishing out several hundred more for the parts. I think my stud kit ran something like $80 for the set, plus the line hone, of course.

That's pretty much what I was thinking too. I'm only shooting for about 425-450hp and I don't think that power level warrants buying 4 bolt caps. I did some pricing anyway and they're around the $300 range for the 3 center caps.

I'm just glad that I finally have an idea of what I'm working with now. I've been grabbing up all the OT at work so I can buy pistons & rods soon.
 
Wow, he sounds like a professional. Take his advice, especially on the 4-bolt mains conversion. $!$!$! OUCH !$!$!$, yes, but the large main 421-428-455 family really needs them, unlike the smaller main 326-350-389-400 family. It only hurts for a little while. :roll:
 
I like that report from the machine shop...they explain their findings and give you some options..
 
Bonnewagon said:
Wow, he sounds like a professional. Take his advice, especially on the 4-bolt mains conversion. $!$!$! OUCH !$!$!$, yes, but the large main 421-428-455 family really needs them, unlike the smaller main 326-350-389-400 family. It only hurts for a little while. :roll:

Yeah I'm really happy with this shop so far. Great communication, nice shop, decent pricing and they're good guys. He's into Packards and favors Olds engines, but he knows his sh*t for sure. I've accepted the fact that I'm going to be shelling out money to have this done right so I'm not too surprised by any of it. It's just not going to happen over night and I tend to be impatient. Here's a rough break down of the prices he shot me in the beginning.

-$135 Clean, mag check, remove cam bearings, inspect block
-$180 Line bore/hone
-$280 Bore, hone w/torque plates, deck block
-$200 turn & polish crank, chamfer oil holes
-$225 balancing. Could be less depending on the weight matching of the rods & pistons

But like I said, these were initial prices so we'll see what the updated results yield.
 
He sounds pretty reasonable. My 301 cost me $1700 w/parts and I know the parts were around $700-800. First time I ever had one balanced, and it was an automatic at the time. He match balanced a manual flywheel for me too, for later.
 
Bonnewagon said:
He sounds pretty reasonable. My 301 cost me $1700 w/parts and I know the parts were around $700-800. First time I ever had one balanced, and it was an automatic at the time. He match balanced a manual flywheel for me too, for later.

After all of the years of pissing around with cars this is actually the first complete engine build I've ever done. I had to do a lot of shopping around before settling on who to go with. I never realized how hard it is to find a decent machine shop. I had to go out to the suburbs to find this guy. The last place I checked acted like they didn't want my money so to hell with them.
 
Wow, a 2GC carb. 78' was the last year for those. Very reliable, but couldn't pass emissions.
 
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