any stock cars on here actually run like NEW?

[pontiacgp]

I admire those who can just leave the car the way it was built and are happy with it that way.

 

[DRIVEN]

- This is not a political forum, and I don't think the OP asked for your opinion/rant on those things anyhow. Focus, please..?

Exactly^^^

Pencero, I think you're misinterpreting what the OP's question was. My understanding is that he wanted to know if there are any as-delivered cars out there that actually ran well -- or if it's possible to leave all the emissions parts in place and still run well. Maybe his last sentence distracted you, when he used the word environmentalist, and caused you to spin out. Some of us are just cruisers and not full time haul-assers like you. Blindly removing or disabling functional emissions parts for the sake of civil disobedience is really kind of silly. Removing it because you don't understand it or don't know how to make it run right seems to be a more common reason. Eliminating it for purely cosmetic reasons because your car is a detailed custom, I can actually understand. On a federal level it's still illegal although your state may not check or care. You wouldn't tear all the insulation out of your house, add a 14 gallon tank to your toilet, or hard-wire all the circuit breakers in your house just to teach "the man" a lesson, would you?

onyx, as you can see by several responses, it's certainly possible to enjoy a stock Gbody. They ran fine when they were new and they can run fine now. Sure, most weren't performance oriented and they weren't intended to be. GM sold millions of our cars for a reason. I'd suggest reading up on how the different systems actually work and what their purpose is. If you understand it, you'll see that it doesn't really cost you anything except maybe a little weight.

 

[anthonychacon80]

When I rebuilt my car engine I tried to put all the VIN H emissions stuff back on for 1980 (non CA) the only thing left off is the heat riser and air injectors and cat, but I plan to put those back on soon as I can find a cheap set of smog legal headers with the air injector tubes, otherwise the air injector and cat work together and the cat works better with extra o2 to burn off smog stuff. I'm not a chemist, but modern cars don't have smog air pumps, so not sure if the air is actually useful with modern cats?

I think I'm also missing the little water temp sensor that detects when the car is up to temp, it connects to both the distributed and the heat riser to change the spark curve and I think how fast the choke opens.. I forget the name of it... Bt I know it's part of that heat riser assembly so I just let me car idle a little longer to warm up before driving it. The VIN H did not have the second choke pull off that year which also improves cold weather drivability

 

[pencero]

whatever I will just stay out of this one. I had a 79 monte carlo that I was going to put back to factory appearance btw, but I would never have went to the extreme of including the stupid emissions bs back on it. If you want your car factory that makes sense to have it factory in appearance but don't worry about the emissions bs - most cars are miles exempt bc of the emissions equipment is known to fail. It seems kind of silly to me you guys care about some bullshit emissions equipment and some of you guys are building borderline drag car 350's and 403's and cadillac engines off to the side about to rod your car out - be honest are you really going to clog those up w/ smog snorkels and test your emissions on all that stuff I doubt it so stop being hypocritical then. It's ok to be obsessed w your car but if the urge to buy things to improve it is overtaking you at least buy something useful dont waste your money choking your engine and losing horsepower because 'the environment' give me a break I live under a cloud of ashes bc of the local power company burning coal and I drive past 5 steel mills on the way to Chicago. The government doesnt care about them dumping into the great lakes but Im supposed to spend hundreds of dollars on smog equipment and charcoal canisters bc 'the environment' yeah right if they do implement an emissions test I will still cheat anyway just like them **** those hypocrites

 

[KmK442]

whatever I will just stay out of this one. I had a 79 monte carlo that I was going to put back to factory appearance btw, but I would never have went to the extreme of including the stupid emissions bs back on it. If you want your car factory that makes sense to have it factory in appearance but don't worry about the emissions bs - most cars are miles exempt bc of the emissions equipment is known to fail. It seems kind of silly to me you guys care about some bullshit emissions equipment and some of you guys are building borderline drag car 350's and 403's and cadillac engines off to the side about to rod your car out - be honest are you really going to clog those up w/ smog snorkels and test your emissions on all that stuff I doubt it so stop being hypocritical then. It's ok to be obsessed w your car but if the urge to buy things to improve it is overtaking you at least buy something useful dont waste your money choking your engine and losing horsepower because 'the environment' give me a break I live under a cloud of ashes bc of the local power company burning coal and I drive past 5 steel mills on the way to Chicago. The government doesnt care about them dumping into the great lakes but Im supposed to spend hundreds of dollars on smog equipment and charcoal canisters bc 'the environment' yeah right if they do implement an emissions test I will still cheat anyway just like them **** those hypocrites

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[KmK442]

also still legal to drive without it, in Ohio anyways,... e check exempt after 25 years

 

[DRIVEN]

whatever I will just stay out of this one.

Too bad. I was about to make you my special project. Clearly, you could use the education.

 

[drogg1]

whatever I will just stay out of this one.

Too bad. I was about to make you my special project. Clearly, you could use the education.

Darn 🙁

 

[Hoopty_Mike]

Does anyone on here have a car that is completely stock, engine/emission-wise..........that still runs, drives, and behaves like it did when it was brand new?
Seems the majority of people on here have cars that have been modified, like removing emissions equipment, or getting rid of the CCC system and running an aftermarket carb or older non-CCC quad (or dualjet).
And if you have a stock car that runs like new, what all emissions parts or external engine parts have you had to replace, to keep it running like new?
After I do a basic rebuild of this engine (rear main is leaking), I want to do all i can to make this car run perfect, and get decent gas mileage. And I've turned into a semi-environmentalist over the years, so I definitely want it to pollute as little as possible.

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My 87' cutlass is all stock besides a catback dual exhaust, which doesn't effect the emissions at all. El Camino has all emissions removed besides the canister deal for the tank venting. If you have the original cat, it's time to replace it. One on the cutlass went out, I replaced it because I had the money too at the the time, and the smell can be bothersome, especially in summer traffic. I had redone all the hosing that was cracked/broken on the el camino, started smelling gas and it didn't seem to run as nice, turned out to be the canister control valve, cheap easy fix. You can fixed the charcoal canister for cheap with charcoal from fish tank filter bags, which I have done to a caprice. I have really just replaced anything rubber on both the cars, I don't keep emissions equipment for being enviro-friendly, but it's nice not smelling raw gas or fumes sitting in 103 degree traffic. Both have stock CCC systems, I really can't complain. Other than that, I just keep up on maintaining everything, and drive 2 hours to and from college every weekend, getting 22mpg in my v8 couch.

 

[onyxxtreme]

So you too have fallen prey to the absurd lie perpetuated by rumor mills such as Al Gore that cars are responsible for all this pollution when it's obviously factories, industry, and nuclear energy to blame. I say save your money and stop trying to get modern emissions standards from something out of the 1980s. If you want to save the environment you should just swap to a modern ls / lt style engine and gain 100 hp / torque in the process. You will only lose 2-3 mpg if done correctly. Wasting money trying to 'save the environment' by limiting your carbon emissions is ridiculous. I smack myself in the head every time I see a post like this. I had all my emissions equipment restored to factory and the engine ran a lot weaker. I wasn't impressed with it at all and I'm turning that stuff off Asap. Screw the environment is how I feel and you will probably feel the same way after your expiriment goes terrible just like mine. I will just plant a tree to make it up for it, I need the extra 20-30 hp now not after I get $$$ to plant an engine!

Take it from someone who already walked the path you are thinking to take: you will regret putting that Bs back on the car in the very near future, less than a year

"Screw the environment" is a pretty terrible way of thinking. Pretty absurd to even think like that at all.
Thats like dumping a gallon of used oil in the ground and thinking to yourself, who's this gonna ever hurt.....well if everyone thought like that, obviously it's going to do ALOT of damage.
I'm not trying to make my car have zero emissions like a Nissan Leaf or anything like that. I just want it to be as clean as it was when it was brand new. I don't want this thing blowing black smoke out, like 90% of the ghetto-cruiser G-bodies you see out on the road. And I don't want it leaking gas fumes, from a leaky EVAP system.
I believe keeping older cars on the road (post-emissions era), that actually run pretty clean (like new), is better than buying a new car every 2-3 years. It takes alot of energy and resources to produce a new car. And it's just a waste of money to spend $500-600 a month on car payments every year for the rest of a lifetime.

If I wanted performance, I wouldn't be spending money on a 90hp dual-jet carbed 231.