You are right about nascar, they were not worth the trouble and the other part was there just was not a significant enough difference in horsepower at the r p m range that nascar engines run ! You better believe Hendricks , penske, and all the other big names would be running them if they were worth it, These gain interest about every 10 yrs or so and then they fade away , they have been making these since the 50,s ! They actually work more on exhaust pulse then anything , it get,s in depth if you really research it . Basicaly IMO on a street car they always look like 10 lbs of s--t in a 5 pound bag