Article just for fun...Thoughts ?

[ck80]

If its not this, GM doesn't give a fuuck.

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Got it, they like them some bloated turds.

What's the difference between a 'suv/cuv' and a minivan? ONLY the sliding door. All anyone is building are minivans with rear doors.

Don't believe me? Take one of those "suv's" down a logging trail. Repeat with a wrangler or old k5 chevy.

Point made.

Next up learn how the elcamino was revived by all auto makers, but rebadged as f150,silverado,sierra,ram,tundra,etc.

Take an average 2020 model, and a 1980 k10. Go 10 car lengths forward each. Drop each into reverse, let them smack. K10 will pull away with almost 0 damage to its step tow bumper made of 1/8" plus plate steel. Any 2020 will be headed to the body shop with over $10000 in damage. While they're back to back, put a 2x10x12 in the bed with the tailgate down. Only one will hold it. Finally, repeat the same bump test with front ends. K10 will drive away. 2020 will be towed.

Modern so called "trucks" are passenger cars with a small "bed" for guys who don't need to do actual work like haul a couple cords or wood or such. Do real work, gotta buy a ninny trailer to tow behind it. Hint that trucks aren't about being trucks anymore and just a passenger vehicle with big rims? Most all of them are made with 4 doors and you can't order many options with 2 doors.

 

[pontiacgp]

I saw an ad for a car recently that said nothing about the car itself, it was all about how people connected to the gimmicks in the car and how many options to play music from various sources.

 

[ck80]

I saw an ad for a car recently that said nothing about the car itself, it was all about how people connected to the gimmicks in the car and how many options to play music from various sources.

At least it referenced people and not dancing hamsters....

 

[pontiacgp]

At least it referenced people and not dancing hamsters....

I might have been mistaken, I'll try to find it again to see if they did use real people and report back....

 

[Ribbedroof]

I saw an ad for a car recently that said nothing about the car itself, it was all about how people connected to the gimmicks in the car and how many options to play music from various sources.

Hmmmm..sounds vaguely familiar....

The VAST majority of the buying public doesn't want them, they want media tech and cushy comfort stuff.

 

[KCP]

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Joking aside, most of it is price point, even this ^ starts at somewhere around $18k.

Definitly! We had those GT86's as training cars in my former company. We flogged the living crap out of them all day, going sideways each and every corner, beating theam around the track and at the end of the day they virtually said "Thank you, gimme more of that!".
Great little cars that reminded me of the first BMW M3 (E30) when I first drove one. About the same size, weight, power and grip.

 

[kornball426]

Definitly! We had those GT86's as training cars in my former company. We flogged the living crap out of them all day, going sideways each and every corner, beating theam around the track and at the end of the day they virtually said "Thank you, gimme more of that!".
Great little cars that reminded me of the first BMW M3 (E30) when I first drove one. About the same size, weight, power and grip.

I would drive one of those for sure, but they're only two seaters I believe aren't they? I need at least four seats in a daily driver... Can get by on squeezing three into a bench seat in a pickup or the el camino, but just two doesn't cut it for me.

 

[Wageslave]

Not that its the case with you, but, I never really understood the hate for the mustang II but the relative love for the fox body. Both relatively equal turds IMO that need flushing. At least the notch back coupes were something, but it was almost just an escort clone.

As far as mistakes being learned? Not so much apparently (cite to the "mustang" mach e)

Ford should have stuck with a FWD fast car alongside the Mustang, like they tried to do with the Probe. That way, they wouldn't have lost so much small car marketshare to the Japanese automakers. Maybe they might have even learned enough to make a FWD transmission that will last 100k miles (but probably not).

Also, whoever thought Probe was a good name for a car in the Beavis and Butthead era should have had their short hairs ripped out and fed to them.

 

[pagrunt]

Got it, they like them some bloated turds.

What's the difference between a 'suv/cuv' and a minivan? ONLY the sliding door. All anyone is building are minivans with rear doors.

Don't believe me? Take one of those "suv's" down a logging trail. Repeat with a wrangler or old k5 chevy.

Point made.

Next up learn how the elcamino was revived by all auto makers, but rebadged as f150,silverado,sierra,ram,tundra,etc.

Take an average 2020 model, and a 1980 k10. Go 10 car lengths forward each. Drop each into reverse, let them smack. K10 will pull away with almost 0 damage to its step tow bumper made of 1/8" plus plate steel. Any 2020 will be headed to the body shop with over $10000 in damage. While they're back to back, put a 2x10x12 in the bed with the tailgate down. Only one will hold it. Finally, repeat the same bump test with front ends. K10 will drive away. 2020 will be towed.

Modern so called "trucks" are passenger cars with a small "bed" for guys who don't need to do actual work like haul a couple cords or wood or such. Do real work, gotta buy a ninny trailer to tow behind it. Hint that trucks aren't about being trucks anymore and just a passenger vehicle with big rims? Most all of them are made with 4 doors and you can't order many options with 2 doors.

You forgot the off road test. Related to that, my '14 "Z71" Silverado is far removed from being a off road truck. "P" series 18" station wagon tires, one small skid plate at the transfer case, Ranchero shocks ment for a car ride. My long gone '96 K1500 was able to off road, had real truck tires, rode like a truck. Plus it had a step side bed.

 

[popeye1978]

Ford "Probe" was a concept car in the late '80s, production version was developed with Mazda to be the next-generation Mustang after the Boxy Foxes.

Ford (incorrectly) bet that the public would be OK with a sports car that didn't have a V8 -- considering the slope of the hood on a Probe, a V8 just wouldn't fit, and that was a conscious design decision someone made -- and then the Mustang Club of America (and all its members) got involved, speaking of the sacrilege it would be to have a FWD Mustang that also didn't have a V8. At the same time, some Ford engineers who were dissatisfied with the "FWD Mustang" idea began a Skunk Works project (I think using engineering money left-over from the last model-year-refresh of a Boxy Fox) to develop an improved V8/RWD drivetrain

Ford got the message a FWD Mustang would cause them to lose sales so:

• FWD car took/kept its "Probe" (concept car) name
• Ford used the Skunk Works ideas in the Curvy Fox Mustangs
• Probe remained in production until numbers sold dropped (probably some Probe sales were lost to Mustang) and it wasn't worth it to design a next generation